Catgirl
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I know this subject is controversial, but I greatly appreciate all of your comments.
My doc suggested I start chelating. I told him I have a mouth full of metal and he said, so what. I was so tired, I did not ask him to elaborate.
So, I imagine chelation is supposed to pull merc and other metals out of all the tissues in the body. And since fillings are next to gums (and one of my crowns is touching my gum) it will probably pull the mercury out of that area as well.
I thought I read here before (last year, or older post) where others have said that it actually pulls the mercury out of the fillings. How do they know this for sure? How do we know the difference between actually pulling all metals out of the body or mercury in the fillings? Have there been any studies done to differentiate the two areas?
Has anyone here chelated with amalgams, and if so, did it help or hurt?
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Yea it will make you WAY worse if you chelate with fillings in-- that is a total disaster.
Basically you'd be pulling even more metal out of your fillinings and into your body, so you'd have MORE metal in you.
Also, chelation is tricky business, you need to be with a very experienced Dr, and your Dr doesn't seem to be if he thought you could chelate with metal in your mouth. I would NOT let him chelate you.
Get the metal out when you can, then start chelation slowly.
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If the chelator circulates through your body it's going to bind to metal... it's probably going to pull it from the metals in your mouth, as well.
It's supposed to bind to the metals & carry them out through the kidneys/urine. Hopefully, it will make it out of the body. If it doesn't for some reason, it can be redistributed throughout the body. No reason to make the chelator pull the stuff out of your teeth to excrete through the kidneys... Yuck.
I don't think it's a good idea to try to chelate with amalgam fillings or other metals in your mouth. The fillings are actually up to 50% mercury...
Just my opinion. I've been studying this so I haven't done it yet. I'm still working on getting the dental work done.
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I chelated over a period of 10 mos with cilantro, 2 weeks on, two weeks off and I have a mouthful of amalgams. It is now almost 8 years later and I still occasionally take cilantro to maintain less of a body-burden of Mercury. I am fine and much much better for the treatment. i got my brain back.
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Chlorella helps move it out of the body, cilantro gets it moving.
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I got a bottle of NDF-plus. They say you can take it with amalgams if you put the dropper in the back of your throat when you take it. I'd rather wait. Just my preference.
It may be different with IV chelators, though. If it circulates in your blood - it probably gets in your mouth & gums.
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Thank you all for your suggestions and advice! I just found an old link (interesting). Apparently you can chelate with amalgams (mixed responses on link below).
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I am chelating with amalgams and feeling great. Taking chorella and cilantro. Many have no problems.
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I chelated with amalgams while seeing Dr. H. in New York. I did oral prescription pills plus I was doing IV glutathione at the time.
My levels went way way down in four months. I didn't notice any difference but at that time twenty symptoms could have been added or removed and I wouldn't have noticed I was such a mess.
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Pocono Lyme, Are you well now ? So are you saying it helped or it didn't ?
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No unfortunately I'm not well. I can't say it made me feel better other than just knowing my levels dropped.
I had high lead, mercury and a significant amount of cadmium. I considered myself a "zombie" at that time. Bedridden, couldn't think my way out of a paper bag.
I chelated very early in treatment and didn't make much progress for years.
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Pocono, I've heard others say they chelated early and didn't make much progress either.
In your case, do you think that is because you may have had other co infections or parasites to deal with, or do you think the early chelation had something to do with it?
There are just so many facets and variables to lyme that it's hard to be sure of anything. I feel fortunate that we have lymenet and everyone on it who contributes.
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Hi, I also started chelating. I'm up to 4 chemet pills and I take 7 King Chlorella, chewable. I have a question. If you just swallow the pills without chewing them do you lose the effect?
I also had lead, cadmium and something else, I'd have to look. Cadmium causes breast cancer and I already had that so I really don't want it again. I feel great on the days that I do the chelating. I do it every 3 days. Also see dr. h in ny.
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I am not sure about the chlorella (chewable). I would imagine they will still work if you swallow them whole (just like chewable vitamins).
I had lots of different metals in me too. I didn't know that about cadmium. Thank goodness you are over your breast cancer though!
I just started chelating and definitely feel better. I guess I really needed it badly.
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I'm sort of suspect about the tests. I had a few tests for mercury & they were all low. I think metals can be sequestered in your body & you wouldn't necessarily test positive.
I think if it makes you feel better - it's a good indication that it is working. Improving methylation or doing the KPU protocol probably helps to get rid of the metals, too.
You need different things to chelate the various metals. I don't think it's just one mineral, herb or supplement for all metals. I have to review the info - but it's a complicated subject & there's alot of controvercy surrounding it.
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How could chelating early on cause a worsening of progress? Both my llmd and nd think I need to chelate as the metals disturbed the brain and the immune system.
Couldn't getting metals out early actually help cause it lowers the punt of metals being dumped out from dying bacteria, parasites and candida?
I thought metals encouraged these things so it seems strange that you would not improve after chelating.
I am sorry poco that you aren't feeling better.
Anyone know why early chelating would slow down progress and poco have you made any progress at all?
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Here is another question, who has chelates early on and progressed well after this?
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Anyone?
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It's a complicated issue... The parasites, yeasts, viruses, etc. are interrelated with each other. Some feel there's an order to detox them in (ie: GiGi & the Babushka principle...)
Human> parasite> yeast> metal> bacteria> virus>
Then, there's the issue of methylation & KPU. So, it could be a genetic thing, as well. If the body does not methylate properly, I don't know if they will be excreted. So, it can go around & around in circles.
I think these issues are on-going. I think detox is a lifetime thing these days. Not to mention the GMOs & all the other chemicals, pesticides, solvents...etc.
I have no idea why I tested low for mercury... I used to hold it in my hand when I was a child. We used to play with it...
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How do you open detox pathways and organs?
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Ha ha! Sparkle, you too? I used to try to eat it when I was a kid (mercury). Kids...touch...smell...taste.
I had all my fillings out about 15 years ago. Then, like an idiot, I had them put back in because the composite material the dentist used hurt my teeth. So I am loaded with it, and other metals. It sounds like the mercury is probably hiding in you.
Maya, do you have a good lyme specialist? He or she can really help you with that. It kind of depends on your genes and whether or not you can methylate or not. Check out the link on MTHFR.
You can also use the "search" above to find info on almost anything you can think of regarding lyme here on Lymenet (it's right below "post a poll" and next to "faq").
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I was reading that aluminum can cause fibromyalgia symptoms, too. My mother had a big aluminum pot she used to cook in... I also had a toy - it was plastic & looked like a labarynth. It had mercury in it & you had to get the mercury in the center. LOL. I loved that toy!
If you don't detox well - the metals can be sequestered all over the body. I studied sculpture & worked in a foundry for a while. I was exposed to all kinds of crap. We would pour the aluminum or bronze into the sand & vaporize the styrofoam mold... Great, huh?
It seems to make sense that you have to improve the secretion of the metals & use something to chelate them or absorb them out of the system.
I don't think you have to use something complicated or expensive but it's not easy to do. You have to spend time studying it if you want to do it on your own.
I think Dr. Chris Shade has some interesting products. Look for his video on YouTube. You can also use chlorella & cilantro but it can be rough. I don't know if you have to use IV. I think there are alot of ways to do it. I'm waiting until I get my fillings out.
It should be soon. I just have 2 left. I had to have a wisdom tooth removed so I'm waiting for it to heal first. I don't mind waiting so I can study further about it.
Each metal has it's own chelation method - so, it's a bunch of studying & compairing. It's good to consider methylation or KPU, too. I think that improves the excretion of the metals.
It's not that good to keep drilling the teeth. Every time you drill - it removes some of the tooth & makes it less strong to hold the filling.
I don't know what you could do, Catgirl...? I think people do chelate with the fillings but it seems to me that it could be redistributed. There are differences between vaporised mercury from the teeth & the kind you eat in fish or get from a vaccine. They are absorbed by the body in different ways & sequestered in different places.
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Wow, Sparkle, good for you with the fillings. I think out is better than in. My doc won't let me take them out though.
I finally decided to take the plunge and started chelating this week (good so far).
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You have to try to do what you can. Each of us are different. I only have 2 left. I want to get some other dental work done first. I've had this exposure for a long time so another few months won't hurt.
I've read about people who have done it & there are alot of different theories, techniques & results. I guess you won't know until you try. Just be careful.
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