Topic: UPDATE! Fecal Impaction!?!. Took hole bottle of Magnesium Citrate. not working. HELP!
tickled1
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I don't remember exactly b/c it was awhile ago and she ended up going on her own but I think they said she was going to need an enema.
If the Magnesium citrate didn't work I'm not sure the Miralax will either but maybe.
Fiber didn't work with my daughter and actually made matters worse b/c I wasn't able to stay on top of her fluid intake while she was at school. If you don't drink water with fiber it will make it worse.
My daughter also developed an allergy to Miralax and now when she has issues we use colace (stool softener) and/or Fleet suppositories.
If you don't want to go to the doctor I would do an enema before taking anything else. Maybe even a Fleet suppository for starters.
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tickled1
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When's the last time you had a normal BM?
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i have been having this diarreah only thing going on for about two weeks. a little slightly over.
three weeks ago I remeber having a pencil thing one
so its kinda been a while!!!
im feeling crappier lately too. i can tell im getting toxic and toxicer by the day.
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honestly i dont want to keep spending more money on stuff for this. i already spent money on miralax, stool softeners, and buying high fiber veggies etc yesterday
this should be interesting.
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tickled1
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Your mailbox is full. I tried to reply. Good luck!!!
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I hope you've either did an enema on your own by now, or gone to the hospital - three weeks is WAY too long! Keep us posted and I hope things literally clear out soon!
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Once again, I suggest try drinking mangosteen juice - it can soften stools to being like a baby's.
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Carol in PA
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ok so I went to the ER and told them my symptoms. the nurse who took my blood had a hard time taking it. said my vein wouldnt keep the needle or something. weird....anyone else have that problem?
then i told the doc my symptoms and they did a rectal exam by putting a gloved finger in my rectum. they found nothing
so he ordered a cat scan of my abdomen JUST TO BE SURE
when they were putting the IV in me for the contrast the nurse was having such a hard time she had to put it in my hand. WEIRD . what is that caused from. typical lyme thing? I know for SURE i wasn't dehydrated because I drink water like its my full time job!
everything came back fine. he said he did see stool but not a crazy or large amount of it
I still havent had a real bowel movement. im going to try an enema then have more miralax.
if this keeps up i think im going to go to colon hydrotherapy
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Basically you drink Buffered Ascorbate Vit C every 15 minutes until you "flush" works great.
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I am so glad you went to the ER. Better safe than sorry! Even more glad to hear you are OK.
Did the ER doctor have any advice on how to proceed?
Instead of throwing more laxatives at this problem, which haven't been very effective so far, Consider again the mineral oil enema. The stool does not necessarily have to have moved down to the rectum for it to be effective.
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The IV problem may have been a user/equipment failure. Usually ER nurses can get IV's in anyone no matter what. I'm guessing the hospital got new IV's and all the nurses are a bit unfamiliar with them. It happens!
Did the hospital say your bowels looked normal? Like you did not have a back up of stool? Maybe you should stick to normal doses of miralax. If you take too much miralax or magnesium your stool will liquify and you will NOT see a regular BM.
Even if you are backed up/ impacted with abdomen full of stool, regular doses of miralax will eventually and safely get things moving again. It may take longer than a massive clean out dose but it will work.
If you were to get a colonoscopy they would have you drink one bottle of miralax with a bottle of Gatorade the day before. This stuff works. This higher dose will keep you on the toilet all night long with liquid stools (and cramping and nausea) and it is meant to literally wash clean your bowels. So don't take that much.
Another reason not to do a big cleanse like above: Diarrhea washes away your good GI flora including probiotics that you have purchased to protect you from opportunistic infections.
I have vagal neuropathy meaning that the nerves along my GI track are damaged. I used to only have one BM per month with menstrual cramps. So I know what it is like to have irregular BM's like you are struggling with. Now I use magnesium and miralax and keep things moving every couple days. I have to adjust the dose based on how my body is responding daily.
You have to be patient with these things. You can't expect to go from constipated to normal overnight. As others have said, you will need to look at your diet too. High fiber foods will add bulk and help move things along for you. Also, you just need to eat. What goes in comes out. If you are not eating hardly anything, you will not have much in your stomach, your BMs will be small and irregular.
If you keep having problems, don't suffer and try to self treat at home. Ask your LLMD for a referral to a GI doc. They do the tests and help you get whatever treatment you might need to get "normal" again.
I just want you to know that I'm worried for you. I don't want you to get hurt by trying too many things all at once. Please be careful, OK.
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I think this is all caused from a low level of stomach acid
over the past month or so ive found i feel full after eating VERY easily and food feels like its just sitting there below my chest
i also took the baking soda test and didnt burp within 5 minutes. in fact i didnt burp AT ALL....even a half hour later
i cant eat anything really except fruits and vegetables. if i have this high in protein (chicken , beef) it causes problems. my stomach hurts and I feel fullness around my chest
last nite i tried eating chicken and boy did i pay for it,
i ended up waking up with a stomach that hurt very badly. i took one tablespoon of APLLE CIDER VINEGAR in a glass of water and it really soothed it. now it feels pretty good
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A functioning nervous system is required in order to have normal GI activity. Lyme damages the nervous system.
If I stay off meds for too long, constipation results, along with urine retention.
The hitch is that that meds can also affect GI function, so you have to get the probiotics right too. Never heard anyone else say this, but if I do too much probiotics, can also have constipation.
It is a real balancing act.
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Ask your doctor about that baking soda test. I don't know how reliable a measure it truly is. There is probably a better real way to test your stomach acid levels.
Maybe you will find out that you need just a tiny bit of HCL, a ND may help guide you there. Or maybe you would be helped with some really good digestive enzymes.
I have tried combos of both and currently use NOW brand "Digest Platinum". I have tried far more expensive brands and physician prescribed brands and none have worked better than this.
If you take a good digestive enzyme it will help your body break down foods properly. You will use your body's own HCL naturally, with less stress and burden. You may not need extra HCL. At least that's what I have experienced.
If you eat a heavy meal you may want to take 2 enzyme capsules to help with digestion.
Always chew food well and eat slowly. This helps me too. There are still some foods that are too heavy that my stomach doesn't like. I don't eat beef and I can only eat very small amounts of beans occasionally, these things tend to sits like a brick in my stomach for hours and cause pain.
The sitting like a brick and not digesting is usually a sign of gastroparesis, slow stomach emptying. Not inadequate HCL. There is a test for this. It is called the "gastric emptying scan". There are some RX meds that can help some people. They didn't help me. But what I've told you above does help me.
Always avoid eating large heavy meals. Stick with small lighter more frequent meals to keep your blood sugar up. If you are really sick you may need to switch to liquids (or add some Ensure) for a little while under doctor's guidance.
If you catch what I'm saying this can be a serious issue that you need to talk with your doctor about. You can't get better if you are not able to eat. Your body needs extra nutrients when you are sick to heal.
Again, not saying any of this to harp on you, just because I care.
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Glad to hear they didn't find anything seriously wrong. Since they didn't, I would back off on taking much.
Maybe just regular doses of Miralax like someone else said. Digestive enzymes may be a good idea too. My doctor recommended Digestzymes by Designs for Health. It may have HCL in it but I'm not positive.
I had that full feeling with indigestion before I treated H. Pylori. My H. Pylori did not show up on regular tests but showed up on a stool test by Metametrix.
I also have a hiatal hernia. That could also cause a feeling of fullness.
Instead of the Miralax maybe take Magnesium glycinate on a regular basis. Going to a LL gastrointerologist would probably be a good idea. Have you had an endoscopy or colonoscopy recently?
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tickled1
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BTW, by no means am I suggesting doing all the things I mentioned above at once.
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Option 1: Try 2 teapoons of coconut oil before going to sleep. (Check with your LLMD...you might be able to substitute.
Then in the morning half a cup of water with fresh squeezed lemon.
Option 2
2 ounces of alove vera first thing in the morning and 2 teaspoons of olive oil.
Take care,
Take care,
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I am glad to hear you got a professional evaluation and that it seems there is nothing life threatening.
But why on EARTH do people keep recommending mineral oil as an emetic - and especially recommending that it is "natural?"
Mineral Oil is made from PETROLEUM, and even sunbathing with it can DRAW valuable Vitamin D from your body - much less introducing it directly into your digestive tract!
Hey maybe its a common medical therapy for a really stubborn issue, but its certainly nothing I would want to encourage on any regular basis.
Lymegal23 - I agree with Sammy. You should take it easy with the multiple "remedies."
Why are you so intent on getting "instant gratification?"
This situation took a while to evolve, and it is not something you can resolve with a snap of the fingers! Or with three successive "snaps!"
Just the fact you said you had to "go out and buy fruits and vegetables" might indicate that these are not foods that you normally have on hand. That speaks volumes to me.
And until you start filling that long, long plumbing system with some "bulk" throughout its entire length, you are not likely to see a lot of "action" at the far end, much less, "regularly."
But please keep drinking water too.
I do wish you luck. I just think you need find a little more patience.
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jlf2012 mentioned this probiotic:
proboulardi by metagenics
Glad to hear the vinegar helped you last night. So it is highly likely that your gall bladder is not stepping up to the plate fast enough, whenever you need the EXTRA digestive juices that are needed to break down PROTEIN and FAT. (Hence the problem arises with meat!)
My BF has this same problem whenever he goms down any red meat - tells me he feels "too full" and "really tired" and wants to lie down. So I hand him the bottle of Papaya enzyme tablets, and he stops complaining in minutes.
There is ALSO reason to be concerned that you are taking ABX, and likely need a GOOD PROBIOTIC to balance your intestinal flora - probiotics definitely aid proper digestion, and are killed by ABX!
Here is what Lyme Emeritus Doctor "H" recommends for ALL his ABX patients:
saccharomyeces boulardi
Dr. H says this the most EFFECTIVE probiotic for preventing C-DIFF!
So keep up the veggies and the water, and get yourself any probiotic until you can obtain the saccharomyces preparation.
I'm sure you'll get through this thing, if you just give your body a little extra help, and a little time.
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Carol in PA
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quote:Originally posted by sammy: The sitting like a brick and not digesting is usually a sign of gastroparesis, slow stomach emptying.
. Lymegal, listen to sammy.
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Good point CarolinPA -
Since we haven't heard any reports about that Mag Citrate hitting "big time" yet, this may well be a part of the problem.
Any News Lymegal23?
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Ozonated magnesium oxide is a Miracle For this issue and without it I end up in ER Over the years with impact and infections No doctor has ever seen or believe and I resolved finally ony own saving my life.
Hard to find tablets. Envita clinic sells it And also a product called MagO7
Do not underestimate the power and resolve you will get from a simple product . It's nothing like Taking just magnesium oxide believe me. !!
I believe I could have died if I had not found this as stimulants Of any kind in slow digestion is impossible and extremely painful in nature as it tries to work up in stomach and man it hurts.
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Lymegal, go to your local drug store and get a enema bucket or large enema bag and do one or two right after each other. You may have to start and stop and void periodocially. It helped me so much.
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Lymegal, go to your local drug store and get a enema bucket or large enema bag and do one or two right after each other. You may have to start and stop and void periodocially. It helped me so much.
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I had something very similar to this happen a few years ago, after a long period on antibiotics. I had chronic diarrhea, which got progressively worse, and I didn't realize that I had a fecal impaction at the root of it, until I tried fiber and couldn't pass it.
My poor intestines were so, so inflamed, the inflammation had caused the impaction, apparently.
I was without any money or any insurance for health care, so I self treated using enemas (no fun, but they do work) and then a prolonged regimen of bowel healing after I finally got the initial impaction dislodged.
I didn't know about the ozonated magnesium/ oxygen cleanses at the time (mag 07, oxycleanse, oxypowder) -- I think that might have resolved a lot of the problem upfront.
I hope you feel much better soon -- but I second the suggestion for one of the ozone/oxygen cleanses... I use them whenever my gut slows down ( I still get the "bells palsy of the gut" if I have a flareup) and they really can work miracles.
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minimonkey, can you give us more details on what your regimen for bowel healing involved?
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