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canefan17
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Can bacteria create biofilms in brain?
I read somewhere it's common in ALS patients.

Also - how would we possibly dissolve biofilms in brain?

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GSE in Neti Pot?
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I don't know if GSE in a neti pot would help, but if you do try it use VERY DILUTE DOSE. GSE and mucus membranes do not mix well.

I used too strong a dose up my nose once and it was NO FUN. Like having 1000 colds at once the amount of liquid that came out of my nose for days.

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Ok thanks
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I have a nasal spray with GSE and it stiiiings.

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Does gse hit biofilms through the body?
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There's the current theory that eliminating fat from your diet will dissolve biofilms.

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2427743

http://www.iadvocatehealth.org/protozoal_infection0.aspx

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Carol in PA
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quote:
Originally posted by canefan17:
Can bacteria create biofilms in brain?
I read somewhere it's common in ALS patients.

Also - how would we possibly dissolve biofilms in brain?


Canefan, the body makes more fibrin in response to a systemic infection, like Lyme.
You have this throughout your body, not only in the brain.

Reducing the fibrin will reduce biofilm, throughout the body.


Google for systemic enzyme therapy and fibrin.


BTW, rinsing the sinuses with a neti pot does not affect the brain.
But taking systemic enzymes to reduce fibrin will affect the mucous in the sinuses, making it less viscous.

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Carol

Is this why I had such a strong response/brain herx when I first started Boluoke?

Because Boluoke does exactly what you're saying.

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I started serrapetase and feel horrible when I take it. Today I emptied out half the capsule and still felt horrible.

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Systemic enzymes can make you herx.

I tried to take Rechts Regulat, but I felt worse and worse.
Heh, it's still in the refrigerator.

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I guess you'd have to study if systemic enzymes can cross the blood/brain barrier.

Som websites that sell products allude that they do but I don't know. I'd have to find more info from an unbiased source. I was looking at something about Wobenzyme & alzheimers.

I took serrapetase & Vitalzym & I didn't feel different. They may have been doing something but it seemed stupid to keep taking them when I didn't notice any difference. That's me, though.

Everyone is different. Maybe look into tumeric? I'm going to look into it. If I find anything - I'll post it. Whatever you find - it probably should be something that can cross the BB barrier.

How about fish oil? Just pulling at straws here. I'd have to look into it further. Ginko & gotu kola are herbs that have been used to help brain function, historically.

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FYI - about the blood brain barrier

www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/13/5/1035/pdf

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Abstract: This review describes specific strategies for targeting to the central nervous system (CNS).

Systemically administered drugs can reach the brain by crossing one of two physiological barriers resistant to free diffusion of most molecules from blood to CNS: the endothelial blood-brain barrier or the epithelial blood-cerebrospinal fluid barrier.

These tissues constitute both transport and enzymatic barriers. The most common strategy for designing effective prodrugs relies on the increase of parent drug lipophilicity. However, increasing lipophilicity without a concomitant increase in rate and selectivity of prodrug bioconversion in the brain will result in failure.

In these regards, consideration of the enzymes present in brain tissue and in the barriers is essential for a successful approach. Nasal administration of lipophilic prodrugs can be a promising alternative non-invasive route to improve brain targeting of the parent drugs due to fast absorption and rapid onset of drug action.

The carrier-mediated absorption of drugs and prodrugs across epithelial and endothelial barriers is emerging as another novel trend in biotherapeutics. Several specific transporters have been identified in boundary tissues between blood and CNS compartments.

Some of them are involved in the active supply of nutrients and have been used to explore prodrug approaches with improved brain delivery. The feasibility of CNS uptake of appropriately designed prodrugs via these transporters is described in detail.

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Triphala is another herb combination that may be good against biofilm formation. I don't know if it can cross the BB barrier. Look into tumeric - there are some interesting studies about it's effect on the brain.
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this is a great question and i would love to know the answer. did any famous LLMD's ever talk about this???
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Allicin should help with circulation, and other matters, too.

Cross search: allicin, biofilm


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090130154901.htm

Garlic


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100705191731.htm

Antioxidants and our Arteries
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N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC), a natural supplement, is known to break up biofilm. Go to pubmed and search "biofilm NAC". I am taking 3,000 mg/day. NAC is also a glutathione precursor, liver detoxifier (ER's use it for tylenol overdoses), mucus-thinner, and anti-oxidant.

I am guessing it crosses BB barrier, but don't know for sure.

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Yes, I would believe biofilm in the brain. Here is a site that may interest you. http://www.molecularalzheimer.org/

IME, I suspect humifulvate which a combination of humic acid and fulvate helped with biofilm in the brain. At least in my experience.

I also suspect ormus will as well or at least the m iridium (ormus). At least in my experience.

Other more common supplements that are commonly mentioned for biofilm I believe had little to no impact.

When experimenting with such, you may wish to buy mannitol as a precaution to prevent any brain swelling to prevent emergency cases. It takes about 12 hours for the brain swelling to go down with mannitol in my experience. Mannitol can be bought off ebay.

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Lumbrokinase was "invented" by the Chinese. They use it for stroke victims. So in my opinion and based on hubby's experiences I do believe it crosses the blood brain barrier. But it is dose dependent as are many things.

He used to take 1 capsule 4 times a day but found out he did better on 2 capsules 2 times per day. At times he has taken up to 3 capsules 2 times per day or 2 capsules 4 times per day.

I am pretty sure I have read that the Chinese even have an IV form of lumbrokinase. But most likely that is only available in China.

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You should take lumbrokinase/boluoke on an empty stomach. I don't remember why but it is important. I only take it once a day because I only have so many empty stomach times and there are other things that need to be taken then.

You can't take NAC if you have the CBS mutation.

Heparin will pul calcium from the bones so you need to be aware of this. If you are older it is not good to take it long term. Even some women that took it during pregnancy developed osteoporosis and fractures.

The low fat diet has helped me the most. It is hard to stay on it and I notice a difference when I stray. I don't know why people make a fuss over needing "good oils for the brain". My brain is much better on the diet. You can get omega 3 fatty acids from chia seeds. If you take a flax oil capsule I doubt it has more than a couple of grams of fat.

All of the other oils have omega 6 which are inflammatory. I know it is really hard to not have nuts and avocado but you can probably add those back in later when you recover. Sunflower seeds have the highest source of omega 6 of any food so they should always be avoided.

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nefferdun,

Once ammonia levels are lowered Dr Rich Von K and other methylation experts say you can slowly introduce things like NAC and sulfur foods.

Have you read this too?

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How do you lower ammonia levels?

How do you know if ammonia levela are high? Test?

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I found this:

http://www.ehow.com/how_5845643_naturally-ammonia-levels-down-body.html

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Yucca Root is what methylation experts recommend you take with animal protein (meat, eggs, etc)
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Why do Chinese suffer from Bart big time?

Because they eat cats and dogs? [Smile]
(I kid I kid)

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