canefan17
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Dr James Schaller says many of his patients eradicated or suppressed Bartonella using Clove Bud essential oil.
Has anyone tried Clove Bud Oil? If so, what brand/company?
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daystar1952
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Would that be the same type of clove component that is used in some parasite cleanses...such as Humaworm?
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canefan17
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If they use the bud of the clove to form the powder. Tha main ingredient is clovanol if I recall.
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Any idea of the dosage(number of drops) to be effective against Bart.? Sue
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Keebler
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- Not specifically about CLOVE OIL . . . just a general consideration for all essential oils.
Most reading this probably already know this (and have medical guidance) but for the newcomers to the essential oil subject:
ANY essential oil can burn. Be very careful.
Some essential oils can trigger seizures in those sensitive to stimulants. Sage oil is to be avoided by anyone with a seizure disorder but there are also others.
Some people with anxiety also need to be careful, due to the highly stimulating effects of certain essential oils. Just study all you can about the ones being considered - and look beyond the mass market literature to medical & naturopathic sites like PubMed & Townsend Letter.
Typically, essential oils are to be used, drop by drop with a much greater amount of a mild carrier oil (Almond oil, etc.) for aromatherapy, not to ingest.
Some essential oils come in already diluted solutions, in glass dropper bottles but, if for ingestion, would likely also be put in a half cup or cup of water before consuming.
Even then, some people can handle them and some cannot. Always be sure the formula is intended for oral consumption - and no matter what the instructions say - to start:
DILUTE FURTHER in a full cup of water with just ONE DROP. You may even chase with clear water or a bit of coconut oil if there is any burning of the esophagus.
With just one drop in a cup of water - of a prepared formula - it's the safest way to test out how your body will do with it.
This would not be the essential oil, itself, but if it comes in a formula for oral use.
Some essential oils are in thick GEL CAPS that dissolve way down in the gut, like some Oregano oil supplements. Those tend to work far better so as to avoid the upper G.I. tract.
However, some of the essential oil oral care formulations are excellent as a mouthwash, "toothpaste" and to swish and spit - to treat oral candida. -
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annxyzz
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Would clove capsules work?
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Razzle
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If you are going to ingest the clove oil, make sure the clove oil is food grade, not just for aromatherapy.
I've used Young Living clove oil topically, have not been brave enough to try it internally yet, because I'm sure I'll have a big herx from it and don't know if it will be something I can handle.
When I do decide to try the oil internally, I'll probably use fractions of a drop initially (e.g., put 1 drop clove oil with 9 drops of some carrier oil such as olive oil and just take one drop of this mixture, which would be 1/10 of a drop of clove oil).
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Do a decoction with clove, it can do a lot of things already, quite strong though (but I love the taste)!
Never ever ingest the essential oil unless utra diluted. I wouldn't ingest the thing. Rubbed, fine, but ingested, nope! Too strong.
Chewing cloves once saved a tooth from infection. It can cause though tummy ache (in my case) as this stuff is sttong.
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lymeinhell
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I use it all the time, in the form of Thieves Oil (from Young Living). It's particularly effective against thrush - add 2 drops to 8 oz of water, and gargle for a minute, then swallow. Remember to disinfect your toothbrush with a drop as well so you are not re-polluting your mouth. It works tremendously well on toothaches, bug bites, poison ivy, as an insect repellent.... the list is endless.
As Keebler said, it is very strong and can sting, so diluting is best if you've not tried it before.
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annxyzz
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Would clove capsules have a good result ?
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Keebler
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- Yes. And I think kinder than the oil (regarding oral mucosa).
Ground cloves are in many anti-parasite formulas - or other herbal combinations for other purposes. Usually with other ingredients for balance.
Ground cloves will contain the naturally occurring oil, of course, just not in super high concentration.
And, make no mistake, while more gentle than an oil, clove power in a capsule can still have quite an effect. Start with a low dose and increase slowly. -
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