Jeesh, I can't imagine why Pepsi/FritoLay would want to shell out $1.7 MIL into "NO 37" can you?
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I'm sorry to say but I don't think this is something that "the people" are going to win on. We just have to try to be as careful as possible. These big conglomorates are not going to stop. It's a systemic agenda. It's been happening incrementally over a long period of time.
People can try fighting for clean food but the big conglomerates will just wait it out & keep chipping away at the global food supply. I respect anyone for trying to fight this but I don't have the energy.
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Respectfully, I must disagree with that defeatist assessment.
In Europe, in 1999, when Dr. Armad Pustai released the results of his GMO potato feeding experiment on mice, the Euro Press ate it up!
Within days Europeans were clamoring to have GMOs removed from the European market - which manufacturers were forced to do anyway, as no one was buying the stuff! A ban in the Euro market was promptly initiated.
As Jeffrey Smith tells us, a couple of calls from the Prime Minister's office resulted in Dr. Pustai's dismissal from his 35 year job at a prestigeous UK research laboratory - with demands that he sign a "nondisclosure" agreement! This agreement has now expired, and Smith wrote about the scandal in his book "Seeds of Deception."
Have you taken a look at the videos I posted under General? TooToo linked them above.
I appreciate that you are worn out from fighting your own health battles, and that can wear down anyone.
But for those who are trying to be careful about what they eat anyway, avoiding GMOs is NOT that difficult, and might help some in their quest for health.
F'rinstance we do occasionally enjoy corn chips in this house - but they are Garden of Eatin' ORGANIC corn only, with sea salt, which are delicious! Ditto potato chips, Kettle Brand, fried in SAFFLOWER Oil, with sea salt. They taste great!
As for the article about genetic degeneration, the signs are all around us already. A part of that, IMHO, is the degeneration of our food supply.
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At any reasonable opportunity when the topic comes up, I do encourage everyone I know to go organic within what is reasonable for their situation (such as price).
But I'm not sure it's that simple to avoid the GMO's by just going organic.
I was convinced all canola oil is GMO, I think a link to that affect was posted, or I may have read that on wiki. And yet I passed by a coworker's desk just yesterday and saw she had a bottle of oil on it labeled canola oil and labeled organic. I'll admit I'm confused on this.
Also, near the top of this thread someone posted about contamination of corn in remote areas. I had previously (years ago) heard that "all" of the corn in the world is already contaminated, that there really is no more non-GMO corn, that even the organic corn is contaminated.
In that sense, I am confused how it is that my coworker can buy organic canola oil (I never will), and that I can buy organic corn. In a sense, I feel it discredits the certification process, yet I'm happy it's there because I believe the organic is stil better. My health situation and ethics/religion restrict my diet in many ways, and I am going to go ahead and buy and eat corn (but organic only), even though I do believe it is GMO to some extent.
I do agree there are relatively easy steps to avoid most of the GMO's, for those of us who live in cities with good enough health food stores and who can afford it. I'm not so sure we can avoid all of them, although I wish it were so.
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Michael -
Thanks for those thoughtful comments.
Here is what I understand about Canola - which for years, even Jeffrey Smith said was "technically" not GMO. He has changed his opinion.
The Canola plant of today was once the Rapeseed plant of yesteryear. Rapeseed (as the name suggests) produces poisons that are toxic to humans, once it has matured. Tender new leaves and shoots are not toxic, and were often used as a "spring tonic," much like spring dandelion.
Smith says that food scientists subjected rapeseed SEEDS to RADIATION, generation after generation of exposure, until the plant NO LONGER Produced Toxins!
Voila! "Healthy" Oil with all the "healthy" attributes that scientists made 'haute Vogue' in fats, without the resulting poisons!
Because this "new plant" was no longer really Rapeseed, they re-named it, in part, for where it was developed CAN(ada)OLA. Canadians plant loads of canola, because it is a short bushy plant that can mature in the short summer seasons of the Great White North!
Now - does canola come in a "round up ready" version? Frankly, I have never heard of this. Does it make it's own pesticides (like BT corn does?) Dunno. Not on my radar, but NOT likely!
Was your co-worker's "organic" oil labeled with the ROUND GREEN SEAL that signifies inspected and approved "organic" as per American Standards? Don't know that either!
But for my money, if it says "Canola" it is a man-made, "unnatural selection by radiation" - which I do not want on my dinner table.
Perhaps the Canadian government allows Canola that is grown without pesticides or hot fertilizers to be labeled "organic."
Perhaps, just because our USDA says that "GMO food is essentially the same as any other food" and that IS our official "labeling standard" - they can get away with this chicanery!
Either way, "organic Canola" is a LIE in my book.
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This is an agenda... As such - there may be some wins here & there for the average guy/gal but it's not going to stop "them" (whomever "they" are) from pursuing their plan - whatever that may be.
If there was a conscious effort to protect life & offer the collective benefits to everyone on the planet - this would be a very different world. This is not the world we live on - unfortunately.
Canola is a genetically modified plant. It may be grown organically but it's still been modified. This is an example of the inscideousness of the agenda. A term I heard for this sort of thing is "tricknology"...
I don't think there are any places left on the planet that are free of this bioengineering. "They" are organized & are implimenting their plan on a massive scale. If some people protest - maybe they will win a small victory but eventually - all the food will be engineered in one way or another. Even if it takes 100 years...
The price of food is going to rise due to the drought. Most average people's expenses are going up - after a certain point, only the very weathly will be able to afford "clean" food.
Back in the 1980s - lots of people were protesting nuclear energy & weapons. Has anything changed? They dropped nuclear bombs on 2 cities in Japan - they still built nuclear reactors for energy... One would think that the people of Japan would have been just a little more careful, considering...
I'm all for clean food, air, & water but just look at how things are going. Are pollutants & chemicals decreasing on our planet? We may be able to hold off for a few years - but all of this is the coming trend for the future.
There's a huge agenda that happens most every day right up in the sky in front of everyone's eyes - do we even know who is doing it? This is going on everything - food, water, air...
So, we might feel a little better knowing that we bought something in the market that might not be modified or sprayed but can we stop breathing or drinking water? Did you know they actually have seed & plants that are resistant to chemtrails which are mostly aluminum & barrium...?
I don't think they are planning to stop this anytime soon.
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BTW we don't hear much about "Olestra" these days, but I can tell you that it was developed by the Japanese - because the patent application came across my desk when I worked at an "Intellectual Property" law firm in NYC.
Olestra can pass through one's digestive system, (as General George Patton was once quoted as saying) ... "Like crap running through a goose."
When it was introduced into the American food market, it once was required to carry a disclaimer label, warning people NOT to eat "too many of these potato chips" at one time.
Ever wonder what is in that creamy/greasy stuff called "fat free" yogurt? Bet I can make an educated guess!
I wish I could tell you exactly what Olestra is made from, but I can't. Point is, anything that your digestive system can't wait to get rid of, is not likely to contain any useful nutrients!
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Safflower is good for high heat cooking, and I use it almost exclusively. I can get a quart bottle at Whole Foods for $4.99. I also buy olive oil, but not so much, as I find it seems to go rancid faster than other oils.
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Sparkle -
You have alluded several times to the conspiracy theory regarding alleged "chem trails." Frankly, I think this is a "crock."
Those "chem trails" are really jet fuel exhaust and nothing more.
Do you actually think that pilots would knowingly agree to spread noxious poisons, beyond the combustion products of jet fuel, while they are sitting in the cockpit? Or flying over their own homes?
Kindly take this thing back to Alex Jones Channel/website where it belongs.
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Sparkle also said:
"I don't think there are any places left on the planet that are free of this bioengineering."
Au Contraire - EUROPE has BANNED IT! You can't sell it OR grow it in most Euro countries.
Why can't we ban it? Answer: too many people are buying it, without their knowledge!
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Chemtrails are not contrails...
Look at some of Clifford Carnicom's research or here -
In some areas under the spray, aluminum levels in the soil are so elevated certain trees and crops are struggling to survive. Interestingly, the USDA, which receives royalties on GMO crops, was recently granted a patent for seeds that can grow in soil with high aluminum content.[5]
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[5] Patent #7582809 was granted Sept. 1, 2009. It was assigned to the US Department of Agriculture and the Brazilian Enterprise for Agricultural Research. According to Cornell University Chronicle Online, the research project was supported in part by the McKnight Foundation Collaborative Crop Research Program, the Generation Challenge Program, the National Science Foundation and the USDA. It was developed at the Robert W. Holley Center for Agricultural Health at Cornell University in Ithaca, NY. Leon Kochian and Jurandir Vieira de Magallhaes are the primary inventors/ researchers.
Maybe Ecuador would be a good place to live? Some people have been moving there.
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Here's a list of countries (and U.S. counties) that have banned genetically modified crops in one way or another.
In the United States: Only the California counties of Mendocino, Trinity and Marin have successfully banned GM crops. Voters in other Calilfornia counties have tried to pass similar measures but failed.
In Australia: Several Australian states had bans on GM crops but most of them have since lifted them. Only South Australia still has a ban on GM crops, though Tasmania has a moratorium on them until November of 2014.
In Japan: The Japanese people are staunchly opposed to genetically modified crops and no GM seeds are planted in the country. However, large quantities of canola are imported from Canada (which is one of the world's largest producers of GM canola) and there is now GM canola growing wild around Japanese ports and roads to major food oil companies. Genetically modified canola such as Monsanto's Roundup Ready canola have been found growing around 5 of the 6 ports that were tested for GM contamination.
In New Zealand: No GM foods are grown in the country.
In Germany: There is a ban on the cultivation or sale of GMO maize.
In Ireland: All GM crops were banned for cultivation in 2009, and there is a voluntary labeling system for foods containing GM foods to be identified as such.
In Austria, Hungary, Greece, Bulgaria and Luxembourg: There are bans on the cultivation and sale of GMOs.
In France: Monsanto's MON810 GM corn had been approved but its cultivation was forbidden in 2008. There is widespread public mistrust of GMOsthat has been successful in keeping GM crops out of the country.
In Madeira: This small autonomous Portugese island requested a country-wide ban on genetically modified crops last year and was permitted to do so by the EU.
In Switzerland: The country banned all GM crops, animals, and plants on its fields and farms in a public referendum in 2005, but the initial ban was for only five years. The ban has since been extended through 2013.
In India: The government placed a last-minute ban on GM eggplant just before it was scheduled to begin being planted in 2010. However, farmers were widely encouraged to plant Monsanto's GM cotton and it has led to devastating results. The UK's Daily Mail reports that an estimated 125,000 farmers have committed suicide (This number is now at about 250,000 suicides in India by May 2012, due to GMO Crop failures - Clean Food Earth Woman) because of crop failure and massive debt since planting GM seeds.
In Thailand: The country has zigzagged in its support and opposition of GM crops. The country had widespread trials of GM papayas from Hawaii but reversed its plans when the seeds got wild and began contaminating nearby crops. Several countries such as Japan moved to restrict the importation of Thailand's papayas as a result, not wanting to import any GM foods. Thailand is currently trying to embrace both sides -- producing organic foods for some countries at a high price while moving towards embracing more and more GM crops. The country has also tried declaring some areas GMO-free zones in order to encourage other countries to trust their foods.
What countries have embraced GM crops?
The U.S. now grows mostly GM varieties of corn, canola and soy. Hawaii now grows GM papayas. Approvals have also been given for GM alfalfa, zucchinis, beet sugar and tomato varieties, though not all are currently being grown. A recent attempt to approve GM salmon was defeated.
China is one of the largest producers of GM crops.
Germany, Sweden and the Czech Republic are approved for growing GM potatoes.
Finland's government and population is receptive to GM foods. None are currently grown in the country, however, because no approved GM crops are suitable for the country's growing conditions.
The Zambian government has launched a campaign to get the public to support GM technology.
Canada has widespread GM crop usage. Nearly all Canadian canola is GM, as is a large portion of the country's soy and corn. Prince Edward Island tried to pass a ban on GMO cultivation but failed, and GM crops in the region are currently increasing.
Spain currently grows GMO maize (about 20% of the country's maize is GM).
The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Portugal, Romania and Poland all grow some GMO maize.
The Phillipines grow GM crops.
The European Union (EU) has approved the cultivation of many GM crops (including potatoes and maize) but individual countries are able to opt out from growing them. However, most EU countries are not permitted to reject the sale of GM foods.
South Africa is growing an increasing number of GM crops.
Britain officially supports GM crops and has trials of GMOs like potatoes planted. However, there is widespread public distrust of the crops and Prince Charles has been a vocal opponent of GMOs.
South America has widespread planting of GM crops. As mentioned above, Thailand is alternately embracing and rejecting GM crops.
India also has widespread GM cotton use. Also mentioned above, the widespread planting of Monsanto's GM cotton has led to tragedy throughout India. The Indian government even banned conventional seeds from many government seed banks in an attempt to please Monsanto (in return, the country was given International Monetary Fund loans to help its economy) and slow the nation's poverty rates. An estimated 1,000 farmers commit suicide each month in the country as a result of the crop failure and debt caused by planting the GM seeds. Farmers were convinced to spend what was often 1,000 times the cost of conventional seed on the "magic seeds" after listening to Monsanto's promises of increased yields and resistence to pests. Despite the promises, the crops were often destroyed by bollworms. In addition, the farmers weren't warned that the crops would require twice as much water as conventional cotton, leading to many crops drying up and dying. The "terminator" seeds also must be purchased again every year. For farmers used to saving seed from year to year, this was often a final financial blow that led to insurmountable debt.
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Don't know which side will win out.... I don't think the people who want this agenda are going to back down any time soon.
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Clifford Carnicom is a scientist - not a "crackpot". I don't listen to Alex Jones... BTW...
I'm not "insulting" you for having an opinion. I just happen to have a different one.
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Clifford Carnicom
Clifford Carnicom is the founder and President of the Carnicom Institute, a non-profit research and educational organization that is devoted to environmental and health issues. Clifford also worked as a technical research scientist acting in a professional capacity supporting analysis and development of major Department of Defense physical and weapons modeling systems, with extensive computer programming and system application development experience. He has held a Top Secret/SCI clearance. He was appointed for and completed two years of intensive graduate level studies in mathematics, statistics, computer science, and geodesy under the auspices of the Department of Defense.
In addition to computer, analytical and management skills, Clifford holds a variety of other skills and expertise from his prior careers including his work as a Cadastral Land Surveyor and research scientist in support of public domain lands of the Bureau of Land Management where he developed original software to assist in the automation and efficiency of large scale database operations. He investigated and researched alternative and sophisticated technologies for geodetic surveys.
Clifford has been a federal employee of the United States government for 15 years within 3 agencies, including the Department of Defense, The Bureau of Land Management, and the United States Forest Service.
Clifford was the Defense Mapping Agency Aerospace Center Employee of the Year, Supervisor of the Year, and he received the Geodetic Sciences Departmental Award for outstanding technical, managerial, and cost effective performance.
He provided the US Defense research industry with original solutions to system development and modeling problems, including application of higher mathematics, statistics, computer programming, information management, task scheduling, product development, and computer graphics. Clifford has extensive technical briefing and written communication experience. He has received the Department of Defense Best Presentation Award representative of his excellent communication skills.
His Bachelor of Science Cum Laude degree was attained in the field of Surveying and Photogrammetry from the Civil Engineering Department at California State University at Fresno, California. His post-graduate studies were conducted at The Ohio State University and Washington University. He also possesses an Associate of Sciences degree and a Forest Engineering vocational degree from College of the Redwoods in Eureka, California. His education encompasses a wide variety of disciplines, including geodetic science, advanced mathematics, engineering, statistics, physical sciences, computer science and the life sciences. Clifford is currently also a part-time foreign exchange and option trader; his recent studies include that of financial markets, accounting, business and music. He is also a certified Bookkeeping Specialist.
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Hey Sparkle -
That clean food earth blogspot is a keeper! Thanks for posting it!
As you can see, most of Europe has banned GMOs.
Now this was news to me ...
In Japan -
"Genetically modified canola such as Monsanto's Roundup Ready canola have been found growing around 5 of the 6 ports that were tested for GM contamination."
Meaning GMO Canola IS a reality now! Oh Piffle!
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As to your other links, I am willing to explore new ideas, especially if someone seems committed to them, so I looked these sources over pretty carefully, and this is what I noticed...
Take another look at your Thrive Movement link. Now go to the bottom of the page and look at the numbered footnotes to this article and their links. The alleged "patent list" for "chemtrail" chemicals does not work. Now type in sovereignindependent and you will find that this is "Ireland's only Truth Movement Newspaper" and Dave Darby is editor. Adding the url tag for the article, still gets you nothing. So much for the "patents!"
Now please look at footnote numbers 4 and 6 for this article ...
You will see that footnote number 4 is from the JonesReport.com But is this Alex Jones? Just type jonesreport.com (front page) and you will see a logo for Prison Planet with Alex Jone's photo at the bottom of the page, and then contact: [email protected]
Jeff Rense (cited in footnote 4) is a political crony of Alex Jones'. The article cited as a reference for this chemtrail story is:
"Dr. Ilya Sandra Perlingieri ... author of the highly acclaimed book, "The Uterine Crisis." No doubt, she's an expert on the subject of chemtrails. Dr. Perlingieri cites a woman named Carol Pellat, whose links listed in the footnotes, do not work.
Footnote number 6 is a link to infowars.com which prominently displays the Prison Planet logo along with prominent links to the Alex Jones Radio show.
Now the very LAST footnote addresses the possibility of the reality of chemtrails.
Ben Coldozin (of the natural solutions foundation, with whom I am well familiar) gives an impressive timeline of "aerial spraying" ... as in Viet Nam. He also talks about nanotechnology, which I think is pretty scary stuff - as it can sink into your skin and get into your bloodsteam very easily... and is all made "technologically." Yet, I do not see any "whistleblowing" per se, alluding to Chemtrails in this piece.
I subscribed to Infowars for some time on YouTube. I agree with some of Jones' observations about our government, and its incestuous relationship with "Federal Reserve" (a/k/a International Banking Privateers).
However, this particular article on the Thrivemovement website has all the earmarks of parroting Jones' sensationalistic innuendo regarding "chemtrails." And I fail to see where the author of this piece has substantiated any one of his "facts." (Other than the scientific article linking heavy metals poisoning to MS - well Duh!)
So although you have never listened to Alex Jones, you are unwittingly subscribing to his mantra on "chemtrails." I'd want to investigate to see if there are many other sources who agree with him.
BTW, do you know that Jetliners regularly dump the contents of their port-o-potties while in flight?
Sorry, but as you have already observed, we agree to disagree on this one.
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Chemtrails as a global warming contributor?
Why HAARP?
Now we are really playing with Mother Nature, IMO.
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OK I just can't go into the incredible detail that you all have engaged in. I hope one day I will be able to as this topic is of great interest/concern to me but as I mentioned earlier on, I just can't go global, at least right now. I know you all understand where I am coming from--dealing with sick kids, sick self, hostile school district, family/friends who "get it" but not really, and on and on and on.
I just wanted to tell you all that I went to my local farm stand today and the owner happened to be there. So I couldn't resist asking him if his corn was GM.
He was taken aback by my question. He said "absolutely not" and that his seed seller in Illinois would have told him if this was the case and it would have been noted in the seed catalog.
I was happy to see a look of mortification on his face. It was clear to me that he did not want to be identified as a GM farmer. I really hope that's the case. I LOVE his corn on the cob! And I've been eating it for many, many years.
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Beaches - That's great that your local farmer is NOT growing BT (GM) corn! Enjoy!!
(It's my favorite summertime vegetable.)
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Aunty - sunflower oil is so far not GM. Whether they use pesticides to grow sunflowers, I don't know.
I agree with you on the chemtrails conspiracy stuff. Interesting article in a recent Scientific American that says the personality types that believe in one conspiracy are more likely to believe in others. Sort of indiscriminate consumption of these things. Generally these people are not good at sorting out evidence and facts.
On GM corn, since the corn I bought at the local farmers market showed signs of corn borers, they must not be GM! But the farmer had picked them rather late, so kinda tough. But since "Silver Queen" name is often used for any white corn, maybe it wasn't the real thing anyway. Farther away is a popular farm "stand" which sells what they grow and what they get from elsewhere too. A big place. Several times the beautiful strawberries had a distinctly chemical smell, so strong that it permeated my kitchen! I then started smelling everything before buying it. And there is an organic vegetable wash that grocery stores carry, which I use a lot. Will remove surface pesticide, but not GM ingredients.
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