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My son who has Lyme is now allergic to chicken and shortly after turkey. Is this Lyme related??
Has anyone else had this problem??
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AuntyLynn
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Can be.
Ms Keebler's the expert on this one.
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- I'm not the expert but it may be more tick saliva allergy than actual lyme -- but a tick bite can certainly lead to lyme, of course.
Back with what I hope I saved in my file on that. You can also search the archives. -
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- Well, I thought I saved that but have nothing where it should be. Do a cross search at Google and you will find a few articles from the past couple of months. It made medium news.
It was mostly to red meat, though poultry could be involved. The "experts" (though who can really be an expert with something brand new like this?) thought it could cause a life-long allergy to the meat that triggers it.
And it can be life-threatening with breathing constriction and anaph. shock - or minor symptoms.
Be sure to talk to your LLMD about this ASAP.
Check for what other foods may be related to those that offend.
Search LymeNet Archives - in subject line of medical forum
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Separate topic: during illness and harsh treatment, many with lyme find out some of their previous allergies that had sort of flown under the radar before but now, with the body stressed, the reaction no longer can slip by.
The tick bite / meat allergy connection is not necessarily the same thing. Again, the LLMD should be consulted. -
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Thank you Keebler. His LLMD has been contacted. He said that it can be common with Lyme but really didnt say much more.
The first time we ended up in ER and then made a appt with his pediatrician. We now have epi pens at home, school, grandma's, wherever he goes.
We are getting a referral to a allergist but this all just seems too weird to me.
I worry daily, with him being at school and away from me, if he is gonna become allergic to something else! First chicken, then turkey, what is next!!??
Thanks for your input! And the worst thing, is chicken was his favorite!!
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- I hope it's the LLMD who has referred you and your son to the allergist. They should be lyme literate because lyme can cause some profound changes to the immune system.
Not only will clues be missed by someone who is not LL, they may suggest something than can harm a person with lyme.
That happened to me when I sought out care with an immunologist/allergy "expert" - they gave me steroids. I had not yet been diagnosed yet but told them I had serious reactions and they forced me to take a dose. Six months to recover from that.
Old tick bites may have caused the allergy but it may not have been intense until now.
Best of luck to you both. There will be a lot of cross searching to do now - and shared lunches a worry. Sorry this is added to your proverbial plate.
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Topic: Lone Star Tick Bite Can Cause Red Meat Allergy
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- I hope your LLMD can advise you on what you should give him AFTER an emergency dose of epinephrine.
While epi may be required in a life-threatening emergency, epi can cause some serious anxiety, nervous system irritation, sound and light sensitivity, mood shifts, and even seizures for someone with lyme.
Does for me. My dentist figured that out for me as most dental anesthesia contains epi. She wrote on my chart: "NO EPI" so they always use a numbing agent without that.
Now, really, I'm not telling you all this to scare you but so that you are not taken by surprise and that your son won't have to suffer the after effects of epi on an adrenal system that is already clobbered.
Epinephrine can save a life, sure. It can also be very stimulating in many different ways, and then a person can just "crash" if the support measures are not in place. It could take days or weeks to get back to one's normal.
Adrenal support MUST back that up, at the very least.
It would be great if you could also get an ILADS educated LL ND on board.
Even better if you could find any LLMD or LL ND (naturopathic doctor) in the country who has worked with a lyme patient with meat allergies.
Somehow, there must be some way to connect. You might contact ILADS. ------ www.ILADS.org
Also be aware that it may not be the meat but something in the processing or packaging.
And that has me thinking that you might connect with parents over here because the are very well versed in allergy matters and finding specialized doctors:
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- Not all that familiar with either method below, so I'm not necessarily endorsing these options and I do question some of the aspects or assertions (though I may take some of that out of context).
Some have found them very helpful to varying degrees. Therefore, both may be worth exploring after all this settles down a bit.
NAET � What are Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Techniques? -
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- This may not be a life-long allergy. But for now, I'm sorry that it's another bump in the road.
I'm curious about this so was looking around a bit but have to stop before finding an answer about an possible cross reactions.
Shared cooking equipment will be of concern, especially for restaurants and for school lunches.
STEAM from a tray of steamy hot chicken may also be a consideration. I don't know for sure but it's a question in my mind. Some cafeterias steam tables can go wild.
This website is very hard to read due to their font and layout. I was looking for cross reactions besides the chicken / turkey duo.
However, if you click onto the PDF-file link, you can enlarge the pages.
. . . Heredity is often cited as a cause of food allergies, and certainly plays a role since a recessive gene has been identified as being linked to IgE-mediated food allergies.{2}
Repeated exposure to the same foods, especially in large quantities, is also implicated. {3}
Yet other factors also contribute to the severity and number of allergies most allergy prone people endure. . . .
. . . The most common cause of multiple food allergies, in my opinion, is having a �leaky gut,� or increased intestinal permeability . . . .
. . . There are many causes of �leaky gut� including immaturity, toxins, nutritional deficiencies, inflammatory bowel disease, poor digestion, and food allergies.
There is a vicious cycle involved with these internal factors since the leaky gut also causes them or contributes to their severity.{4}
(See The Ultimate Food Allergy Cookbook and Survival Guide for more information about these factors and the intestinal infections discussed below). . . .
Last, but by no means least, �unfriendly� organisms present in the digestive tract can cause increased intestinal permeability.
These infections can involve protozoan parasites, yeasts such as Candida albicans, bacteria that are conventionally considered �pathogens,� such as Salmonella, or an overgrowth of bacteria usually considered nonpathogenic, such as Klebsiella, Proteus, or Pseudomonas.
Many other organisms not mentioned here can also increase intestinal permeability. .
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- Back to the question about whether it's really allergy to the chicken or something in it - or in the packaging, processing?
"Natural Flavoring" in my ground turkey breast last night cause me to get those nasty flashing lights in my vision and numbness in my hands." -
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- Click onto a funny video about now. Better yet, step away from the computer - find some laughs. I know there are some out there, somewhere. -
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Wow, he is REALLY allergic if he needs an epi pen for this. Do you think he got bit again? Shortly after I was bit (one of many times), I ended up in the hospital allergic to everything. Latex set it off (needed an epi pen too).
I went from mildly allergic to latex, to majorly allergic to it. I was allergic to everything in our house too. We had to get rid of furniture, and I had to wear gloves when I pet our cats. That was a few years ago.
Prior to the latex allergy though, I got bit several times by ticks as a child, so my guess is, that's where it started.
I recently had an allergy test done and the test showed I was allergic to dairy, beef, pork, eggs and soy, corn and potatoes. This surprised me because I've never noticed anything when I ate them. Still don't. My PCP says they cause internal inflammation for me.
Are you feeding your son organic meat? I also wonder if the tests cover organic food. I buy organic food and have never had any obvious physical reaction to it, even though my tests said I was allergic to certain foods.
So maybe there is a problem with the test (organic vs. commercial)? I don't know. Maybe all of these animals are fed gluten or something genetically modified.
My gut says these allergies are tick related. Fortunately, my latex allergy went from extreme, to less, but it's still there. I am hoping that the food allergies will get better with lyme treatment.
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- Note: just added a new link re: Allergie-Immume to that set a few posts above. -
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I have an allergic reaction to tick saliva and am positive for beef allergy - both IgG and IgM.
I do not believe I had a beef allergy before lyme came into my life....
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- Even if an allergy or condition may be genetic, through the generations before us, remember that activation can have more to do with the SWITCHES turning on or off.
What prompts some of those switches (for better or worse)? all kind of things but infection can certain be one trigger for previously dormant genetic conditions raising their flags (so to speak).
Borrelia b. has the ability to actually ALTER OUR DNA, too. Some lyme researchers have spoken to that here and there and you can do a web & ILADS search.
Bits of Mystery DNA, Far From �Junk,� Play Crucial Role
- By GINA KOLATA
Published: September 5, 2012 - The New York Times
Excerpt:
. . . The human genome is packed with at least four million gene switches that reside in bits of DNA that once were dismissed as �junk� but that turn out to play critical roles in controlling how cells, organs and other tissues behave.
The discovery, considered a major medical and scientific breakthrough, has enormous implications for human health because many complex diseases
appear to be caused by tiny changes in hundreds of gene switches. . . .
- Full article at link above. -
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Topic: Meat Allergy from tick bite - reference links
Immune specifics & testing detailed here. But the testing is within a university article. -
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