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- It's important to consider as much as we can about both treatment and the effects of not addressing key issues, though.
Untreated or under treated lyme (and some other infections) can contribute to cancer, too, so all things have to be considered.
Talk to your LLMD about all options (including GSE). There are various ways to address the cystic form of lyme.
I'd go for GSE first, if your LLMD thinks that would be effective. There are also some specific enzymes that may be very helpful. However, if Rx are used, do it as wisely as possible. Be sure your LLMD is experienced in this matter.
As with any & all lyme Rx treatment, support is absolutely essential to help protect and support the body to be better able to safely tolerate treatment.
Support measures (and excellent nutrition) help to decrease toxic load and that consistent use of key antioxidants may help to reduce some risks regarding cancer. Again, your LLMD should be able to answer your questions about all this.
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The thing about cyst is that you can't culture them from antibiotic treated mice, as I have shown.How can you tell if you are killing them when you can't establish what you are killing in the first place.
If you want to show the effectiveness of these remedies you need to show what you are killing in living tissue.Then apply the remedy, and then compare the two.
Look at the blue photos in figure #1.Look at photo A, those are spirochetes inside living tissue.Now look at photo B,that is one day of ceftriaxone kill of the spirochetes.
Now just do something similar with cysts and you have proven your case on how well the cyst remedies work.
Now if you look at figure #2,there are your cysts,but you did not need a cystbuster because when you cultured the tissue they were in it came back negative.
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- There is good detail in the many links here.
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These links do not show antibiotic created cysts that where shown to be converted back to viable spirochetes.
Nor do they show the effectiveness of remedies that kill cysts in living tissue.
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- It doesn't always work in the human body the way it works in mice in the halls of Yale. The study parameters were too narrowly constructed and not enough different methods or possibilities explored, IMO.
Rather than work with what IS known about borrelia cystic form, they seemed to set forth to discount the sheer impact of such totally by ignoring the nature of the cyst. They also failed to recognize the OTHER forms involved.
A cyst can't necessary be "cultured" at our demand. Culturing is not exactly even the way they work.
Bottom line: An ILADS educated lyme literate doctor who studies ALL the literature, attends ALL the conferences (or reads the papers later) is the best source of information.
An ILADS educated LL ND (naturopathic doctor) the best for adjunct support measures.
If possible, working with both a LLMD and an LL ND can be a good choice. IF not possible reading all we can from MANY different authors is vital. -
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Bb was CULTIVATED in a commercial CULTURE medium without serum.The spirochetes multiplied only slowly in this medium an transformation to encysted forms was observed after one week.When these cysts were transferred to the same CULTURE medium with rabbit serum,the encrusted forms developed into regular mobile spirochetes after 6 weeks.
It is probable that similar phenomena may occur in vivo(IN TISSUE) under conditions unfavorable for spirochetes.
I am saying that when you take tissue from an antibiotic mouse,the cysts that are in the tissue(if there is any)are not developing into mobile spirochetes when you put them in culture.
Now you are either saying Brorson is wrong or you are saying he is right.And if you are saying he is right, show me a antibiotic created cysts in living tissue that was converted back into a viable spirochete when you put it back into culture.
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"Doxycycline(or many other antibiotics)can cause Lyme to go into,the "cyst" form within 20 minutes of taking the first dose.Antibiotics are not effective against this form of Lyme and it can go into "hiding" and come back later as chronic Lyme.Harder to treat.For this reason ,many LLMD,s also use what is called a "cystbuster" Rx such as Flagyl,Tindazole.
You are saying that Sapi,s study shows that what happens in the test tube always happens in the human body,the study parameters were widely constructed,and many different methods and possibilities were explored.
Come on,you can't have it both ways.
And as far as Yale not recognizing other forms involved,how are they going to do this if they did not find any?
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