Jamers
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So yesterday I had my first Nutritional IV. My LLMD thinks I may just be toxic and is working on detoxing with me. The IV was basically vitamins (B,C ect), electrolytes, and magnesium.
Apparantly there was also IV Lidocaine in it... I started feeling slightly dizzy, flushed and loopy. All of which they said were normal. The dizzy/flushed is from the magnesium. And I was told most patients feel drunk afterward.
Well, I DID NOT like this feeling. I felt like I was drugged and very loopy, similar to waking up from surgery. I felt like I was coming off of a medication. Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has done these and had Lidocaine/a reaction the them? Im not sure if this is normal or a reaction to the Lidocaine.
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GiGi
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I learned years ago that lidocaine is a carcinogen. Check it out please.
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AuntyLynn
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OY I FREAKED on that stuff!
They put it in novacaine - and I had SUCH a bad reaction from it at my dentist's office, that he has put it in my charts to give me the lidocaine FREE novacaine ever since!
I started shaking so badly that I nearly convulsed in the chair! Told him - "Hand me my purse!!" where I keep MAGNESIUM tablets for muscle spasms - which worked within minutes! Doc was stunned!
Ask your doc if they have a lidocaine free IV - otherwise, sounds like the cure could be worse than the disease! (Hard to believe when you're dealing with Lyme.)
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Keebler
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- Most LLMDs know this. Not sure if your IV was prescribed by a LLMD or not but be sure to let them know of your reaction.
- Epinephrine ?
Lidocaine (and other numbing agents) often contain epinephrine. Epinephrine can cause all the symptoms you described.
Find out if that lidocaine used for you contained it.
If not, just the stress of the appointment can cause the symptoms. Really. It's a lot for a body to go through when lyme & co. are on board.
Still, from here on, have marked in the inside cover to all your medical & dental charts, "NO EPI"
I also suspect that as it can overstimulate, big time.
Other agents in the IV that might have been too stimulating for YOUR body?
Still, even the insertion of the needle can send stress hormones to the moon, even if a person's is okay with it. Adrenal dysfunction changes everything. Everything.
The travel to and from the appointment, the waiting room, exhaust on the road, other's cologne, etc.
Fluorescent lights. So much to consider.
You may need to revisit your adrenal support.
I assume you avoid caffeine and took no new supplements that day.
I assume you are free of all food additives, but just in case you ate something with any of these additives after your appointment, this could be part of the puzzle:
Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors -
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Keebler
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- Had the office where you had the IV recently been painted? New carpet? Carpet just cleaned? Bug spray or cleaning chemicals used recently?
The soap in the restroom could set this off, too. More likely, any air "fresheners" though. -
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I did years of nutritional IVs and haven't heard of there being lidocain in them...
Isn't lidocain used to numb a specific area....not to be injected into your veins and travel throughout your body. I guess I would be concerned because this doesn't make much sense.
Anyways-- the feeling you are describing sounds exactly how most people feel after having a nutritional IV without lidocain. After you do them for a while the feeling gets a bit weaker, so i would stick with it and hopefully it gets better.
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Summer3
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I get this feeling as well. The first IV that I did I ended up passing out and had a seizure.
I still get a very strange pressure feeling in my head but it clears in about 30-60 minutes and then I feel great after an IV.
Rumigirl
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How much magnesium was in the IV? And how fast was it all delivered? If it's too much for your body, or delivered too fast, that could cause it.
Plus, the lidocaine/epinephrine issue. Lidocaine in a nutritional IV?? Are you sure? That's weird. Why?
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Keebler
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- Great point, Rumigirl has about it maybe being too much magnesium at one time.
Taurine might be good to add for calming.
Might the lidocaine have been at the very start, just to numb the injection site but not really part of the IV mix?
Still, even a little at the start can be problematic if it has EPI in it. -
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Summer3
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I've never heard of Lidocaine being in the IV either and I specifically asked the first time what was in mine.
However, I do get pretty severe burning/stinging if for some reason they miss the vein which kind of feels like lidocaine. I think that's the glutathione itself though.
Jamers
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Thank you everyone!
I actually started shivering after also, like a tremor/chilled feeling.
There was definitely Lidocaine in the actual IV (280mg). They said to numb the veins from irritation. It wasn't a topical, which is very concerning.
Im not sure how much Niacin was in there but it was 2,000mg of magnesium administered over an hour. I suppose the dizzy, flushed feeling could be due to the magnesium but the loopy drugged feeling was too much for me.
Keebler: I was definitely nervous beforehand and could feel an elevated heart rate. I should revisit my adrenals. I usually feel "anxious" when getting blood work (sweaty, dizzy, rapid hr). I have never had this loopy feeling though.
I may try injections instead of IV. Anyone know if the reaction is the same?
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