Any thoughts about diatomaceous earth for protomyxozoa rheumatica?
I have protomyxozoa rheumatica, and my dr and I think it's making a biofilm that is trapping candida.
Diatomaceous earth is supposed to be a parasite cleanse; would it take down the protozoa/biofilm and free up the candida, thereby allowing me to heal?
I'm on Ivermectin; have been on it for a month and a half, seemed to be working at first, just had a yeast flare; don't know if the yeast is just cyclical or if that means the Ivermectin isn't working.
At any rate, any thoughts on DE would be appreciated!
Thanks!
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Low fat diet will help you more than anything. Low fat eating, whole foods.
Protomyxozoa rheumatica is a parasite/protozoan type. It's not a typical parasite.
Do a search in here for FL1953 or protomyxozoa, you'll find lots of info.
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Thanks for the info! I'm about as low fat as it gets; but I was low fat when I was dxed with FL 1953/protomyxozoa rheumatica, so I can't really tell what a difference diet is making--I guess I'd be a lot worse if I didn't adhere.
In targeting Protomyxzoa Rheumatica, we are dissolving biofilm and releasing all the pathogens that are within the colony such as candida. That may be why you are having an overrun of candida.
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This is the order in which treatment should be considered. All of the critters are hanging out together, and if you disturb one, the others will follow.
It is very easily recognized with energetic testing. Once you start treating parasites and toxic metals, all hell will break out with the fungi you never thought you had. You have got to treat fungi, even if you have to use pharmas if you have too many.
The symptoms of any of these Babuschka children cannot be distinguished from each other: neurotoxin symptoms are very much alike. Don't be surprised if all of a sudden when you have unloaded enough toxic metals, you suddenly get pain in the ankles/feet. It is the fungi now agitated because the terrain is disturbed and you need to treat it if you want to avoid the pain. The metals that had accumulated in the feet, in the connective tissue are being pushed out and the fungi and possibly some viruses are flairing -- yes, with pain in the fee/heels, etc.
This is just an example of the colony Baileypup is talking about, and it can become very real during detox phases. If you learn to test yourself with a tensor, possibly other methods, you can help yourself. Bee venom creme and/or a few drops of Viressence rubbed on the foot helps help at that point. The irritation causing pain is relieved in a few minutes.
My brain is all lipid and I would not venture on a low fat diet. Just not my thinking and what I have learned.
DE works on biofilm - PM looks like wrapped in saran wrap! It cleans the biofilm off your teeth or partials. It kills parasites across the board and is not specific. You should however make sure you get some colonics to remove the residue, which is probably many years old, from your body. You will see endless streams of candida moving out. I never had an outward candida problem, but I certainly saw the white river flowing out with the colonics. Otherwise It takes months to get all that out of the five-foot-long colon! if at all.
The Babuschka principle is well worth remembering.
Take care.
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I do wonder if I'm releasing candida from the biofilm, and if that's why I'm having a candida overrun. Yet it's so hard to know--is the Ivermectin not working and I'm getting worse? Is the yeast just cyclical no matter what I do? I'm just speculating; it's hard to know.
Thanks, Gigi! I'm SO excited to hear that DE is effective against FL 1953. Ugh, I will do anything to make progress against this bug. Yeast really is my nemesis -- apart from that I really am asymptoatic.
I will investigate colonics; I see how getting all that crud cleaned out could be really hard, but really, really important to address.
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One of the great tools I've found for cleansing the colon and getting rid of toxins is Oxy-Powder. Colonics are a great way to start the process, but using Oxy-Powder keeps your system moving.
Gigi, great reminder of the Babuschka principle. My main remaining symptom is migrating leg and foot pain and stiffness. I'm also treating viruses now, both with Valtrex and homeopathically, because they surfaced and Zyto testing confirmed it. I'm going to try your recommendation for the leg/foot pain. Thank you!
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How long does DE take to work? I realize that is an impossible question but I have been on about 5 teaspoons a day for 3 weeks not and not seeing much change. Just wondering about anyone's experiences.
I plan on a good three or four month test since I cannot do Salt & C. I have a couple of 10 pound food grade bags of DE, so I think I am set.
All the Best, MattH
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5 tsp. a day for 3 weeks seems to be alot to me. I've been taking about 1 tsp. Everyone is different, though.
Maybe try another approach...?
Someone here told me that their doctor was using 3 essential oils as a biofilm remedy... Oregano, thyme & clove oil... I started it a couple of days ago with the salt/C protocol. I don't know if it will be effective yet. Just thought I'd mention it.
I think I reached a plateau with the Parastroy. It didn't seem to be doing much for me anymore.
How about the Cowden herbs? Enula, cumanda, quina & banderol are all anti-parasite herbs.
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Most likely you have been disposing of "things" starting with day one of taking D.E. Worms one might see, but most of the infestations are microscopic and you cannot see them. As long as I eat a lot of vegetables, meat fiber, other fiber, I wouldnt be able to distinguish one from the other.
If you learn to test with a Biotensor, you can check your stool and probably determine if you are detoxing heavy metals. It comes with an extra cord that will detect the metal if it is there. But finding dead parasites is too difficult. Worms are different. I never ran into one.
So --- DE works as long as you are using it. I test a DE filled vial and test for it almost every day. I don't test for it if I have just taken a dose two minutes before.
I don't remember if you have every worked in detoxing metals? I think you did, but if you have not treated parasites, all bets are off that you are without metal toxins. Especially if you are still with symptoms of any kind.
Take care, and don't give up.
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Hi all, Can you tell me what brand of DE you use and which website you purchase it from? Thanks so much, tickbattler
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"Everyone is different, though."
I am glad you added this, Sparkle. It is not easy to clean out a five-foot long colon in a few days with a few teaspoons of DE. And much comes from much further up and is being added to daily.
I have never seen a parasite or worm of any kind with any treatment I have done. That does not mean they were not or are not still there.
When toxic metals will no longer test with energetic testing, and all symptoms are gone, I will probably still be taking some DE or similar because detoxing is a lifelong effort --- looking at our world today.
Take care.
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Been sick with Lyme for quite a while (at least 9 years, maybe much longer). Other parasite herbs seemed to no longer work well (Parasitin, Parastroy, wormwood). Still doing the parasitin.
So I will keep at it with the DE and report back. The amount I am taking seems fine. I have a sore throat from what I think the source is a root canal. That is what I think I need to hit next! But I need to find the right doc to diagnose before I see the dentist; specifically I want to get a solid diagnosis, which we all know can be difficult.
I am doing 10 drops of GSE 3 times a day also so maybe the two will work differently but together on the parasites.
Gigi,
You are correct, I have been hitting mercury and lead with DMPS infusions. Have had about 19 so far and will get tested (DMPS challenge test) not this next one but the one after it. Based on what I have read DE should work well for me. I did Salt/C for about 3 months but the ABX drove my blood pressure up so I had to stop the Salt/C. Still on several ABX right now (about 18 months). Also doing glut IV's for liver support. Two weeks ago I finally quite caffeine!
I got the feet and ankle pains but I think that is from Bartonella. My LLMD diagnosed me with Bart. Good news is my pain is tolerable and my edema has gone down.
Thanks for the help and suggestions!!! All the Best, MattH
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Does DE get into the blood vein/arteries? As that is where FL1953 is. Blood cells and vein/arteries.
Please know that FL1953 is not a protozoan/parasite that one can see. It is microscopic and is not a usual parasite as one would think.
No dr. would agree that DE 'works' on FL1953. So if we are telling each other it 'works', lets make sure we say "we think" it works, not that it's medically proven.
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hadlyme, I have no idea whether DE works for a specific infection or not. It works well enough over the total body that specifics are less important. We all know that the Lyme body needs a lot of fixing. We know and I know it gets at the fungi.
I did a couple of colonics the other day that opened up a stash of candida in the colon. The whitish river flowing through the tube along with the fluffy stuff - I probably would have never been able to dislodge this without a colonic. I never had a candida or fungi problem anywhere that I was aware of. The next colonic more of the same. Then it ended.
I never discuss anything with school medicine - that blank look in their eyes makes me want to leave the room.
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Remember to only buy food grade diatomaceous earth and steer clear of the DE used in pool filters as it is processed DE and is toxic
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I have been eating a low fat diet for two weeks now and it's horrible. I am hungry - all the time - but the last few days my hunger has been off the charts. In addition, I am craving fat and sweets and I normally don't eat sweets and therefore don't crave them.
I can't do grains, fruit, or legumes so I am eating boiled turkey breast, chicken breast, and lean fish, and boiled veggies.
Reading through this thread I am now wondering if two weeks on this low fat diet, plus taking my Lyme cocktail every day which has anti-parasitics in it, has "unleashed" some fungal overgrowth. Constant hunger has been one of my many symptoms, but this level of hunger is much, much worse and I don't know what to do about it.
Any thoughts/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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2 doggies, I am in the exact same position you are. I can relate to the cravings and unfortunately I cannot find the will power to muster through it. I cave in. I have to do something and don't know what anymore. I am trying to make changes and just can't make myself be successful.
I am frustrated. I struggled with anorexia for 10 years and then bouts of bulemia. This is happening again and I am angry about it. Guess I will face this the rest of my life.
I hope I can figure out what to do and will be watching his post for suggestions. I think I will try hitting yeast, although I do not have any visable evidence of yeast I still think this is contributing.
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Thank you for responding. Incidentally I too struggled with both anorexia and bulimia. One of my lingering behaviors from those days was chewing and spitting food. Today marks 180 days of NOT doing so and with this level of hunger I am so incredibly tempted. I feel like I cannot just keep eating like I have been. One, I deal with daily abdominal distention and the more I eat the worse it gets and then eventually it goes from discomfort to pain. Two, I really don't want to gain weight.
BTW, I also caved on Friday and ate foods I normally don't eat. Ordinarily I follow a low carb Paleo diet consisting of grass fed meats, fat, and low starch veggies (that was before the low fat diet obviously). Friday I had apples, ice cream, boiled yuca, tons of almond butter with coconut oil (and artemisinin), pepperoni, mayonnaise, avocado, and more. I just went crazy and felt completely out of control which is totally unlike me.
Anyway, if you feel like staying in touch for support, ideas, etc. send me a PM.
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It sounds like yeast, to me.
When I was doing biofilm protocol, I would wake up and take either Boluke (took for a long time) and I also did about a month of Klaire Interphase plus.
Anyway, about 2 hours after taking those on first morning empty stomach, I would take my antibiotics or Ivermectin, and diflucan.
Hours later again, my probiotics and liver support.
I cannot eat 'low fat.' I weigh 98-100 pounds, and am gluten free. I can't lose more weight. My diet is healthy.
Recently, after having been off antibx and diflucan, I realized I again had yeast overgrowth- bloating, craving sweets. I am now on ketoconazole, lots of probiotics, I leave out sugar food,
but I eat GF carbs, not excessively, but again, I have to eat. I am seeing yeast die off, as Keto is a powerful anti-fungal.
I view my low positive test of protomyxzoa as just another parasite infection-
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So you are not worried about eating fat with Protomyxzoa? I mean I get that you don't want to lose more weight. On the one hand I figure we are feeding SOMETHING with just about everything we eat. As for this level of hunger, it feels awful. I just cannot get full and I am fighting the urge to eat from the time I wake up until I go to bed. I can't remember the last time I felt full - maybe 4.5 to 5 years ago.
I haven't been tested yet for FL1953. Thinking about getting the test though. I don't want to keep torturing myself with low fat if I don't have to. I miss fat!
I am on Dr. K's Lyme cocktail (Quintessence, Artemisinin, Cryptolepis, Mimosa Pudica, Lipo-Health), Nexus suppositories every other night (garlic and artemisinin), MMS enemas every other day, and now i am supposed to start Tinidazole (6 months) and concurrently Ivermectin for 14 days followed by Iodoquinol, then Albenza, then Alinia.
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Start out not so low with the low fat eating. GO to it slowly. What's low for me might not be low for you... get it?
I never had any cravings with going low fat, so we are all so different. Find foods that are low on fat and eat them all day! Don't starve yourself!
I ate apples.... yea... sugar, but natural. Put califlower in the steamer! carrots, tomatoes.... eat! I do eat chicken and grass fed beef. Whole foods and a bit of meat.
You can't get so weak from not eating that you can't fight anything. I think everyone does this low fat thing maybe overboard. GO low but go down slowly if you need to. And if you don't get to the 10-15 grams a day, then go to a low for you.... like 25 or something. Find a good common sense low for oneself.
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I am staying around 20 to 25 grams a day. I can't do fruit so that leaves lean meats and veggies. I am also supposed to take a 5 hour break in between meals, so I can't eat all day.
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Glad somebody else is getting their feet wet with MMS! Hi 2doggies!
Take care.
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If you can't stop eating vs. having no desire to eat, treat parasites in earnest. Dr. K. published close to ten years ago to first treat parasites and worms. see A Look Beyond Antibiotics.
You don't want to feed the parasites with all the expensive goodies!
I still take DE because it takes care of the larvae of the different parasites. It does not take care of the eggs of the parasites. MMS does that. And since most parasites lay 200,000 eggs each full moon, they can easily take over the goings-on in the body robbing you slowly of life.
MMS is taking care of all parasites, toxic metals and chemicals, and clearing out known or unknown pathogens. I eliminated all Lyme critters ten years ago. But the biofilm is the keeper of all sorts of secrets.
MMS clears out the biofilm too. And painlessly for pennies. Biofilm should be spelled with a capital letter. I have seen some of it coming out and it tells the story. Wish I had a powerful microscope.
Plantar fascitis anyone? Or do your feet hurt and ankles swell? MMS works on all of it in days instead of years.
I am always wondering --- What took me so long to figure out that MMS neutralizes toxic metals? kills parasites and all the bugs that we don't have a name for yet?
Everyone not exploring MMS is missing out. Toxic metals weaken the body attracting pathogens that do not belong.
Take care.
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Why do you have to wait 5 hrs between eating? Is this a dr. suggestion or a tried and true scientific protocol?
I go with common sense on what my body is saying with all of this. A dr. can tell us one thing, but our bodies are telling us another.
Please listen to your body people. What ever that might be........ <3
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Dr. recommended and yes, it has been proven that it is better for the liver/gallbladder/pancreas to give it a good 5 hours in between meals. Eating every few hours is very stressful for the liver and doesn't really facilitate healing.
Also better for blood sugar control especially if you tend toward high blood sugar like I do.
Last but not least, it's better for leptin resistance, and most chronically ill people most likely have leptin resistance.
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2doggies: Not all LLMD's are saying treat the protomyxzoa with a low fat diet.
My LLMD did not think that a good idea.
However, as you can see, there is conflicting information.
Being gluten free, and yeast free the best I can, with organic foods the best I can, is my path.
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Also, I feel like I did hit biofilms with my protocol using biofilm products. Then the killers, antibx, anti-fungals, parasite killers. In the bio-med/autism world, we also do these types of biofilm protocols, not going low fat at the same time.
I believe all sorts of infections, yeast, parasites, hang together in a nasty sludge. Tindamax, salt/C, has also released this junk for me.
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Actually, Dr. D also is not for the low fat diet. She said when she and Dr. K first found out about FL1953 they talked to Dr. F about it and then Dr. K put all of their patients on the low fat diet. She said they did miserably - messed up hormones and more because the body needs fat. She also believes that hitting the biofilm with certain herbs/meds is sufficient so the meds can then reach the parasite.
Right now I just need to figure out why I am so hungry. Even going off the low fat plan on Friday and to some degree yesterday and adding more fat, I felt ravenous. I don't know what to do anymore.
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