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Hi all,I will be receiving Bio Photon treatment in January. Its a gift.
Would love tips on what to expect,and any info would be appreciated. I think people were using vials with it?
Thank you for any help and ideas. How is everyone doing now that received the treatments?
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Good luck! I'm still doing great!
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Your own very able doctor is the best one to ask this question.
Just know that photons only mobilize, they do not remove the dead corpses from the body, they do generally not remove the toxins that made us sick in the first place. That all has to be prepared for with binders and the correct detox agents.
It is a mistake to think the toxins and dead proteins that we set in motion with any of the different kind photons disappear into thin air. They do not. And I don't think it can be accomplished without a good form of muscle testing to find the anti-agents.
Good things fo ryou, Healing.
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Gigi, My Md and I both energy test for everything. And I do lots of binders and detox agents.
I am still very sensitive with everything I do,although having positive shifts since I had a Big emotional physical crash and am now being more balanced with Adrenal herbal support.
The lady that will be doing it has a daughter that has been healed of Lyme,Bart and Babs and she bought a machine and has gone to meetings and classes to learn how to do it.
We only talked on the phone 1 time so I don't know all details.
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This looks interesting, from my understanding they are trying to unblock blockages in energetic regulation using light (kind of what Dr. K. does when he cancels scars using injections or tapping technique to enhance blocked regulation)- makes sense. How does it work for you? Do they use any nosodes at all?
I'm HUGE fun of energetic treatment and energetic testing. I use photons+nosodes to eradicate co-infections. It has been 1 year that I'm off abx. Borrelia, Bartonella, Babesia, Mycoplasma are dormant.
I felt great, 90% to 100%, specially after adding KPU treatment to photons, until I've had Ehrlichia outburst in January. This came out of the blue, so I'm working on it now, slowly improving.
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Yes,what you wrote is rt on Anuta. Yes they use photons and nosodes for co's. She has worked on my scars.(I did have the scar injections by my MD like Dr K does. Still trying to get my foggy brain wrapped around all this I already do KPU treatment.
Interesting how Ehrlichia popped up for you. Not surprised though.
You r welcome Sparkle. Best thing I am doing it local and gifted to me. What a Blessings
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Sorry Tammy to not reply sooner. Doing a lot of resting.
What I am seeing is much shorter lighter herxs. I have never had this before in all these yrs of intense on going ones.
We r clearing vaccines,and working on many things that show up. Not just Lyme and co. Its like Homeopathy Like cures like. Still not understanding it.
Sounds like Dr K connected with him a ways back about it.
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Healing - that's great to hear you are happy with the treatments so far. It's good to feel hopeful....and to start seeing results. Please keep us posted.
Wishing you all the best, Tammy
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Anyone that did or does Bionic 880 or PE1. Did they clear vaccines,viruses,work on emotions and more ?
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PE-1 or Bionic are photon emitting devices. In order for it to have �killing� effect you have to combine the device with the nosode. The type of nosode used decides which the type of pathogen your immune system is going to attack. So if you use virus nosode, it will kill the virus, if protozoa it will go after protozoa, etc� I�m not aware of specific techniques using those devices that would relieve emotional blockages (unless if you use it with emotions imprinted nosodes or Bach flowers remedies of some sort, but I personally never did that)or cancel scars though.
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My gal is using nosodes for different things that show up with testing. She is also using Bach and Bush remedies that r programed in the machine.
Still trying to get clear on all this. TY Anuta
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You bring up a great point. I really do not know how Biotology works similar or differently than say PE-1. I spoke with Johan Boswinkel a year ago and traded several emails. He said I would need about 6 to 8 treatments if I remember correctly. Then perhaps more after that series. They had treated lyme in Europe. The problem is the treatments were 4 days apart and I would have to fly to one of the coasts. for the series.
I could not take that much time off. It just was not practical at that time. I have not investigated it since. Johan was very responsive and the practitioner seem very knowledgible on Lyme. So I have not followed up because my job will not let me get away that long. He did say I would need the time between treatments to recover.
All the Best, MattH
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Keep us posted!
MattH - A month off from work doesn't seem bad if you have been ill for a while. I guess, see how other people respond & give it some thought... A month or so sounds like a good investment if you could actually get well.
I've read that the biophoton therapy really helps some people to get over the hump.
If you could get the treatment in AZ - it might be more convenient...?
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A month off does not seem that bad, however my position at work a year ago and 16 others were terminated the following month. That and the lack of North American testimonials seem a bit risky for the expense of the treatments and travel.
I am beginning the second week on the Dr K cocktails (had ART testing). If I can get say above what I think is the 70 to 75% then I will step out on the biophoton or ozone treatment.
I currently do Ultraviolet Blood infusions a couple times a month and that seems to bring the viral and bacterial loads down. However it does not seem to get at biofilms.
All the Best, MattH
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Yes, we do have to consider our employment... unfortunately. Especially these days. It's sad, really. In Europe, a month off is the norm.
I've read about the blood treatments - it seems useful & it can't hurt but it doesn't get to the pathogens which may be elsewhere in the body besides the blood system. They do get into the brain, synovial fluid, CS fluid, etc.
I'm going to look into it further. I suppose it's individual. Some people did really well with the Bionic 880 treatments & others didn't. It's risky to bet the farm on any one treatment.
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This is actually pretty remarkable...
Stanford scientists fit light-emitting bioprobe in a living cell Light-based probes can be inserted without damage to the cell, could have profound impact on biological research
In one finding that the authors describe as stunning, they loaded their nanobeams into cells and watched as the cells grew, migrated around the research environment and reproduced. Each time a cell divided, one of the daughter cells inherited the nanobeam from the parent and the beam continued to function as expected.
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MattH,There r more and more practitioners being trained in the US.
Johan is in the Bay Area and training people. Maybe there will be someone in your area.
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I just wanted to say photon therapy has saved me and my daughters life. We were treated in march 2012 in Germany and continued photon therapy at home along with treating KPU We have our lives back. My daughters are competing high level cheerleading and are amazing. 😍
I was so scared to go to Germany but I felt I had nothing to lose. Our guts went out from antibiotics and we were fighting multiple rounds of c diff. It was the best thing I could have done for myself and my family. I feel truly blessed
I have basically kept quiet because I've been guarded with our health I still fear relapse. Especially for my children who are still young and have a demanding schedule. It was not an overnight cure. Lots of ups and downs along the way!!!!! I will post to success stories as more time passes and I am more confident.
For me. It was not an easy treatment either. Lots of rough herxing like a roller coaster ride but we came through. I just want to share our story because I know not too many talk about their experience. For us, it gave us our lives back.
Anyone considering this treatment, please know it does truly help but is not easy. It's not a magic bullet but for strengthening your body and immune system to target pathogens it has been amazing. I also exercise regularly and am gluten free which has been huge!!!!
Thank you to sixgoofykids and Brussels for sharing their stories openly with me. Without their willingness to share their experience or their encouragement I would not be where I am today. Thank you so much ladies.
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I looked at the list of practitioners - there are a couple in TX, Matt...
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TY Kimmie for sharing. Happy for you. For me this is the easiest treatment I have done.
My gal is giving me lots of support for my organs and much light from the machine and my daughter is sending long distance Reike.
Still doing all I was doing before. Byron White,detoxing,(although the Chiren also helps with that)and much more. I am very excited about this. And so Grateful it came into my life.
My gal can also send me support long distance through the machine with my picture. It feels a lot like Reike and other distance healings I have had.
For those that have done Bionic 880 and Pe 1 does it do all this. I have heard this is better but have not heard how?
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Thanks for the list. I have emailed a practitioner near me in Houston. Looks like I could continue the Dr K cocktail protocol while treating with Chiren. I had read Scott's experience but liked how he ended it with we are all different.
Thanks again, MattH
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No problem, Matt. I have to say I'm a little put off that they would not allow me to look at their forum at the place where they teach & sell the Cherin. They said it was private & just for their practitioners... I did reply - so I'll see if they change their mind.
The device was invented by someone who is not a doctor or a scientist. So, I'm a bit skeptical. I have gotten my hopes up about alot of treatments over the past 15+ years. I don't want to spend bucks on things that I cannot study objectively.
The inventor has circumvented the medical establishment & more power to him... They should have open & transparent discussion of the device. Even if I am not a practitioner - I have studied these things quite a bit over the years. I don't like that they denied me from being able to look at the comments & observations of their practitioners.
They charge quite alot to study their device. Like $30,000 +... It's almost the same amount of money to study natropathic medicine for 4 years & get a license to practice from an accredited U.S. university.
I was really considering checking out the Cherin but I'm a bit put off at this moment. Just thought I'd share my findings. I did contact a practitioner in my area. I'm going to give it some thought now.
Anyone with around $30,000 can get the device & set it up & practice. They offer classes & a certificate but it's not like a full medical program. I was fine with this originally but it made me a bit suspicious that they wouldn't allow me to look at their forum.
There's not a whole lot of 3rd party studies using their device. It's a little snake oil-ish to me. Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone - just my intuition...
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PS - You have to look at the differences in equipment, Healing. It's a very different process with the Bionic 880. The Cherin is a biofeedback device. It's suppoed to offset any detected disharmonies in the meridians using biophotons. How exactly...? I don't know exactly.
The Bionic 880 uses pulsed LEDs & homeopathic remedies as determined by a physician's examination.
I watched a few minutes of an interview with the Cherin's inventor. I like to watch for people's body language. I didn't get a good feeling that this guy was telling the truth... I'll look at it again later but that was my first impression of him.
I'm not trying to be a downer about this. I was actually really excited & open to this new therapy. I like the idea of healing with light. It's just that it can easily be used as a con, too. The placebo effect is very real. We have to be able to study these things to make sure thay actually work.
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Healing, long distance photons do not work with the PE1. I tried, it does nothing. You need the actual photons on your body, as this part of the treatment is not energetic, but physic.
Anything purely energetic, I believe, can be sent (at least partially) through long distance, without the physical presence of the person. Like nosode treatment, for example. Or BAch flower treatment.
But I don't think it will ever be as strong as photon + nosodes done to the real physical body of someone! �This treatment goes so deep that I feel that it could even get rid of bone infections!
Anyway, glad to see you are reacting well, and crossing my fingers this will be your last big treatment for borrelia and chornic infections!!!
I'm still crossing my fingers to reach my 4th year lyme free.
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Thank you Brussels for your positive reply.Blessings to u continuing to be well. So happy for you. I am having positives that I have not had in yrs.I have a ways to go as have been ill many yrs and am 70.
You know I have tried pretty much all Dr K and other protocols and have not gotten better except for a very sm short lifts here and there.
Even the Byron White herbals I am on that ususally kicks my butt, is feeling better since doing this the last 5 weeks. Herxs r very light with all of this and more comfy.
Extreme pain I have been in is way lighter,I am calmer and more grounded,energy up at times and have been able to get out for walks. I have been house bound a long time.
I even drove my car a couple of times that I have not done in months,although will wait to do so when my foggy brain and confusions gets clearer.
I can totally feel when she sends me the long distance light,Bach,and Bush flower essences and other.
She is clearing vaccines and so many other things when I am with her in person.She does use nosodes and other homeopathics .
The placebo effect has never worked with me Sparkle,if it did I would be healed. And I do not feel this is a con.
And actually the practioner is gifting me the treatments,which I am very grateful for.My LLMD set me up with her so she is making no $ from me.
Her daughter is one of my docs patients and she is healed from Lyme,Bart and Babs and getting her life back.No longer in need of seeing him.
Due to still having brain fog and confusion I am still not clear on it all and how it works.And at this moment not caring to understand it all as I am doing better since the first treatment.
And like all other treatments,we r all different as to our experience.And I do believe the practitioner can make a difference. Just like any other treatment.
I don't feel the inventor has a very positive bedside manner but that does not mean he is not a good guy.
Sorry you feel the way you do Sparkle. I am just sharing my experience.Please don't rain on my parade Not surprised the forum is for practioners only.
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I did some research early last year and read Into the Light. The author explains about Fritz Popp and his discovery of light in the cells. The author uses UV Blood infusion in his practice.
I then read everything I could on biophoton and was getting some success with UV Blood infusions (bit of a different approach). What I found encouraging about the biotonolgy was JB said they had successfully treated Lyme in Europe. While Dr K said he had witness a similar technology helping Lyme patients in Europe. Again JB said the longer you have been on ABX the more treatments it may take.
So I had no confirmation it was the same treatment but it seemed to line up. I am not as concerned that it may be a black box technology if it works or at least it is worth a try for a couple of treatments. Fortunately we have analytical people like you on this thread that help us compare and contrast treatments.
This is very new ground for most of us and I so appreciate Santa Cruz for sharing her experience!
By the way, I have a good friend that cleared his life long allergies with some machine out of Europe and his practitioner continues to update him long distance. He is so much better at 64 he feels like he should have a 40. My friend will not tell me the name of technology for fear they will get shut down.
All the Best, MattH
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As I said above, Healing, I believe long distance treatment does work, for purely energetic treatments like Bach flowers or homeopathics, specially HIGHER dilutions (not lower though).
Even tapping the body meridians can be sent long distance, as somehow, these meridians are energy flowing.
So it is not too surprising for me that you do feel Bach flowers treatments going to you!
Congrats for your open mind!
But beware about dr. K.! I believe he is a wizard himself! He does not send energy treatments long distance, but the man is NOT to be underestimated. Take my word on that!
ART, psychokinesiology and MFT are things that I consider not perfect, but truly amazing tools for helping people out of deep trouble. His contributions to the autistic community deserve full respect, in my opinion.
His treatments (that he usually uses) are only the ones that have been somehow proved by some literature.
So he can't just start risking his reputation doing strange things like long distance treatments... He reinforces about that in courses (that he only uses things that are science based).
But people that are close to him do that type of energy sending (at least, I know one woman). Whether they learned with him or not, I have no idea.
This type of long distance treatment is somehow known to humanity since humans exist (just see how shamans heal, and you get an idea).
Or the rituals done to hunt, to draw those beasts in caves under awful conditions, and get the animals coming to hunters then.
This is magic, and human mind has developed in magic. Any anthropologist knows about that.
But pure photons though cannot be sent by long distance treatment, I can't believe that, as they are purely physical.
But I may be wrong. I love to be surprised !!!
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Just think about homeopathy itself. It seems totally an imaginary science. If you just think about what is homeopathy, it makes no sense at all.
But if you just try it, as I have been doing for years, you start to get the way it works and use it for what it works well. Whatever that is.
Homeopathy itself is very strange and almost impossible to grasp, mentally. It is not chemical, the way it works.
It works only on imprints of things in water.
It could be imprint of moon light (a remedy called Luna), imprint of sick tissue (like Carcinosin, from breast cancer tissue), or any plant, or part of plant.
How can that work? That itself is a mystery for any 'logical' mind.
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Sorry Healing in SC - I'm not trying to bring you down at all. That's not my intention.
As you know - everyone is different. I have very little money to spend so I have to be criticial about things. I do believe in energy medicine, healing with light, faith healing & homeopathy - I think homeopathy can be proven by quatum physics.
I have to spend my money wisely. So - my way is to poke holes & look for weakness in any particular therapy whether it's antibiotics, John of God, color therapy, psychotherapy, accupuncture, Ayahuasca, Zoloft, herbal remedies or whatever.
I believe that critical thinking is important but I understand if it helps you, Healing in SC - it's good. For me - I have to understand it. It's just my nature...
Also, Matt - I have spent alot of time reading about healing with light, Fritz Popp, numerous studies from the former Soviet Union, NASA, etc. I know it works. We just have to be careful because these things can be easily made into remedies, devices, etc. that can be in the realm of charlatan stuff. This is why I spend time studying them.
I have no doubt that rekei, love, prayer & mystical things do work. It's just that if I'm paying a practitioner - I need to know what they are doing. They aren't giving me treatments for free out of their compassion or love for me.
These things take time to pan out to see how effective they are. Just one of the things I have noticed after all the years I have been posting here. Let's see how it goes. I really do wish you well, Healing in SC.
I agree with you Brussells. I have been trying to apply Dr. Ks protocols in my own way since they are available to read on the internet. I think he's probably one of the best healers around. He is not a god, though. I'm sure if he could, he would remove everyone's suffering with all these medical problems we are dealing with. It's complicated stuff...
I guess this is the difference - why is Dr. K posting openly about his findings, protocol, discussions, etc. but the Cherin people are hiding their information...?
I could pretty easily find information about the Bionic 880, PE1, or the LightWorks... specifying the type of lights used, treatments, rates, studies, etc. Where's the info about the Cherin? I've clicked through a number of webpages but found very little "real" technical info.
I'm not interested in celebrity. I need to know that something has a sound basis - whether it's created by a scientist, doctor, psychic or anarchist. It doesn't matter if it works - I still need to see why it works, though. Not just flowery rhetoric, hype, etc.
The placebo effect is very real. It can be an influence for healing. This is why so many studies are done to prove something is really working. There's nothing wrong with the placebo effect - if it cures someone, it's good, too.
I could say more but I'll post it later. I have some other stuff I need to do now.
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Wiil keep sharing positives as I go along. 6th treatment today. Sooo looking forward to it. Posts: 905 | From Santa Cruz,Calif | Registered: Aug 2005
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More positives from treatment. Brain fog and confusion starting to clear. Getting out for more walks and drove my car a couple of times after months of being house bound.
Herxed a bit heavier than before but way easier than the on going ones I have dealt with for yrs.Slept quite a bit. Drinking lots of water really helps and treatments help wit detox.
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Brain fog clearing in 6 treatments, that is almost unfair!! Great to hear you are sleeping, since that is so important to recovery. We have a local practitioner in training near by but is not taking patients yet.
It appears that the process takes into account the testing of where your health issues are on your initial visit.
Are you tested each time for what is working and what might need to be retreated? I asking because I am wondering about how much time there can be between visits before or if the previous treatment starts to lose benefit.
Also does the next treatment change based on retesting at the appointment? I hope I have not made this two confusing?
All the Best, MattH
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Hi MattH, Brain fog not totally clear,still comes and goes but hopefully will have a total brain again soon.
Yes tested every time.At first I came every 3-4 days if I remember rt. And I am seeing her once a week. Things change and new things pop up,like peeling the layer thing.She is doing lots of things to support my organs.And can send extra support long distance when I need it.
The things I am seeing change is B fo confusion starting to like,pain is not as bad,energy up at times,feeling calmer more grounded and more like me.Lots of sleeping.
I over did a walk yesterday and can really feel it. I was feeling so good I got carried away.Not surprised being achey and tired as out of shape as I am.And so many yrs house bound and not very active. Need to pace way better.
My gal is also still in training but seems to know a lot. While she was learning she was still also taking care of her daughter who is healed now My LLMD set me up with her. I am so Grateful. Hope you can start soon so we can compare notes. Posts: 905 | From Santa Cruz,Calif | Registered: Aug 2005
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You might want to try using a CD with binaural beats for brain fog. It really helped me.
Hemi-sync or Dr. Jeffrey Thompson makes them. It's easy. Just lay down or sit in a darkened room, put on some headphones & listen. It was easier & better for me then traditional meditation or biofeedback therapy.
Hemi-sync is proven to increase circulation to the brain. You can get the CDs on Amazon for around $10-20. It's very relaxing.
I'm interested to see how it goes with the Cherin! I'm glad you were able to get the treatments. I was very lucky in that I was able to do the Cowden protocol for free. It took me a while to be able to assess whether it was helpful. I think I did the protocol for about 9 months.
These things take time. Hopefully, it will be the trigger to turn your illness around. It's only a positive - it doesn't seem to be something that could make you worse.
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Thanks Sparkle, I will look into the CD. Sounds good. Although I am amazed how the Biontology treatments r helping. It does get worse with herxing.
I am having more and more people write me that they will be starting the Cherin.A few r just starting
In yrs of doing this lyme and co dance I have not had on going pos lifts. Looking forward to seeing how far this takes me.
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Thanks Birdie,I am looking forward to my next treatment Tues Sparkle which cd's do u have?
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