randibear
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ok, so i got two bottles of this stuff.
i took one, only one, yesterday at lunch. OMG!!!!!
thought i was going to end up in emergency. my chest closed up and i sat gasping for breath. i literally could feel my chest closing. i was sounding like a fish. my heart rate went up and i thought i was going to pass out, honest.
am i the only one here or has somebody else had this??
never again....
so if anybody wants to try this i'd be glad to send you these two bottles...cause i'm not sure i should do it again.
also i have massive yeast problems so maybe it caused my yeast to go crazy.
at this point, everyone, i'm half tempted to throw everything, and i mean everything, out and just say wth, and give up.
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Keebler
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- Sorry for such a reaction.
LINK? I looked but could not find an obvious product.
If you post the manufacturer's link for the brand of epicor you have, I'll see if any particular ingredient jumps out as a likely instigator. Or if there is some way to balance this.
With gasping for breath, it sounds more like a true allergic reaction. Can you identify any one ingredient that may be the trigger? It's important to make some notes for the future.
This is NOT a common reaction to supplements. It sounds like an allergy (IMUO, my unprofessional opinion).
In addition to the actual ingredients, the fillers and any colorings have to be considered.
Did you eat any new food? Around any new textiles or odors? Anything else to rule out?
Any known "true" food allergies? -
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randibear
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nope, just strawberries, codeine, sulphur, demoral, morphine and tetracycline, and diphahydramine, and ephedrine.
for lunch i had chicken, rice and some beans. diet tea.
i bought doctor's best epicor 500 mg, veggie caps. it says epicor dried yeast fermentate, other ingredients, modified cellulose, cellulose, magnesium stearate and silicon dioxide
i'm awful with a computer. i'll try and find something else on it.
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Keebler
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- Have you ever had a reaction to any B vitamins, espeically Niacin (B3)?
I think that is what happened.
Trying to understand what Epicor is, from a basic search of a brand I know to be top-notch:
EpiCor is a fermented form of a species of yeast called Saccharaomyces cerevisiae, which is the main source of nutritional yeast and yeast extract.
Also known as Dried Yeast Fermentate and Brewer�s Yeast, this microscopic unicellular fungi is often used in commercial food products and alcoholic fermentation . . .
. . . EpiCor is unlike any other ingredient on the market�it�s not an herb, vitamin, or mushroom. This all-natural, high-metabolite immunogen has been shown to promote the body�s natural defense mechanisms and balance the body�s inflammatory response*. . . .
Ingredients for this brand: Dried yeast fermentate (EpiCor�) & Other Ingredients: Hydroxypropylmethylcellulose (vegetarian capsule).
Do a Google Advanced Search with: allergy "nutritional yeast"
Also consider that this may be a reaction to only the NIACIN in it. B3. Naturally occurs. -
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Keebler
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- You said you took this yesterday "at lunch."
That is not necessariy the same as WITH lunch, in the middle of a substantial meal. That's the only way I can tolerate the B-vitamins. And that's basically what this it, a B-vitamin capsule.
Taking it before a meal or with just a light snack may not be enough. -
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randibear
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here's what i found. i took it with my lunch. sorry i guess that sounds like at noon or something. nope took it in the middle of the meal. always take my meds that way. my stomach just can't tolerate any meds unless i have food.
Science-Based Nutrition� Dietary Supplement
Enhances Immune System Function*
�High-Metabolite Immunogens EpiCor� is a natural immune-supportive compound that fits into the unique category of being a high metabolite immunogen.* EpiCor� is a nutritive dried yeast fermentate that supports cellular metabolism and modulated immune function.* It is derived from the yeast Saccharomyces cerevisiae, a non-pathogenic yeast commonly used in baking and brewing. In vitro laboratory data has shown that EpiCor� beneficially influences cellular processes that impact immune health.*
�High Metabolite Immunogen that Modulates Immune System Function* �Shown to activate Natural Killer (NK) cells in vitro* Suitable for Vegetarians
EpiCor� is a registered trademark of Embria Health Sciences, LLC
Questions? (800) 777-2474
*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
hmmm, don't think so. i've taken the transfer factor with no problem tho.
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Keebler
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- Contact the manufacturer of your product. Ask them your questions.
This is both like a B-vitamin and also much like Florastor, too.
You could be reacting to the Saccharomyces cerevisiae, itself. But the Niacin is the most likely suspect. -
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randibear
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hmmm, never heard of a niacin reaction but then i guess it's possible.
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Keebler
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- When I first took Brewers Yeast (although that name is not really accurate) . . . the yellow flakey stuff . . .
I had taken a spoonful in water in the middle of the day, no food. Mistake on all accounts. I felt awful. Really awful.
After some time, I tried again. Middle of a full meal, 1/4 tsp. and worked up from there.
Now, unable to really afford real vitamins and not wanting additives anyway, I rely on this flakey yellow "Brewers Yeast" and I can even enjoy a full teaspoon in a glass of water mid-afternoon, even on an empty stomach.
I just had to really work up to it but still, never past 2 pm or it causes insomnia.
For those with chronic lyme, normal doses are often just rocket fuel.
After taking to the company, if you try this again with a different approach, you may be able to work up to a good dose for your body.
But, I'd be asking the company if anyone has ever reported a "true" allergy to this. "Ingredients" can't really be separated out as they occur naturally.
The Niacin matter can be just timing and dose.
However, if it's possible to have "true" allergy to Saccharomyces cerevisiae, that would be vital information.
The fillers could be of concern. Was there DYE on this capsule? That, too.
If you wanted to try again, you can get Nutritional Yeast flakes in bulk from Whole Foods. Try just tiny bit in the middle of lunch. That would at least avoid additives and the capsule material. -
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randibear
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hmmm, if i have a big yeast problem, just saying, could it like contribute to a massive injection of yeast sort of like an overload or something. i know i have thrush right now so could it have exacerbated the yeast thing all at once???
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Keebler
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- Possible you may have had a candida herx (though the breathing reaction points more to other things).
These are GOOD yeasts, they help against the bad ones.
Both Saccharomyces cerevisiae (EpiCor) & Saccharomyces boulardii lyo (Florastor) are essential help against C.Diff, too.
Similiarly, edible and medical mushrooms are also excellent for us. Good Fungi, full of fabulous nutrients that help us.
Still, if one has an ALLERGY to anything (even if it's supposed to be good), well, it's not good for THEM. -
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Keebler- my daughter (11) had a yeast stool test done through Quest which came back positive for S. Cervasae.
She takes 1 Florastor a day (has been doing this for years. She also takes other probiotics besides S boulardi.
Some doctors say the S. Cervasae is from the Florastor (so a good thing), others say it is not good and needs to be treated.
She has never taken epicor.
Thoughts?
Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread.
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Keebler
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- amos,
it's not a highjack - it's a good question.
I'm toast but also hope others can answer your question. I know S. Cervasae has gotten into some hospital patients LUNGS when capsules or powder "flies" and that's not good.
In the gut, balanced, would seem good.
We all have E.coli in our gut, too. It's a matter of balance and where it belongs.
I'd ask a naturopathic doctor about this. This is way out of my league. -
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Could have been a "herx" from killing the yeast .. but ONE pill? I don't know.
Also, a niacin reaction usually makes the person turn beet red in the face and feel flushed.
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- TuTu's got a Good clue about the flushed face with niacin. I had been going just on the "breath arrest" -
so many puzzles. -
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randi-why did you take it? did the doc want you to? or to help your immune system? im glad your ok---you have had an awful month.
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Razzle
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Yes, it is possible to be allergic to this form of yeast. I test allergic on blood testing and also find if I eat bakers' yeast, my gut gets upset.
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