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Hello. I seem unable to to reach the goal of 30 drops 4x a day. I am unable to even get to 30drops once a day.
This protocol is really strong. I have tried so hard and made myself sick pushing the limits on this.
Anyone else have this experience? If I do just half a days worth do you think I will reap some benefit?
I am miserable and cannot fight any more and cannot function. I do not think treatment should be this difficult.
I would appreciate any thoughts. Thank you.
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i'd say stay at the levell that you are comfortable with for awhile. might be several weeks before you cna build up.
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Start with 1 drop & work it up. You don't have to do it so you are ill or suffering. It takes time. Extend it out longer if you need to. The dosages are just guidelines for what you should try for. You don't have to start out with them.
Some of the herbs can be very intense. Everyone is different.
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I just saw a new LLMD who does herbs and I was told that herbs are too strong for me right now. I was having horrible allergic reactions to antibiotics too(definitely NOT a herx).
We're working on my methylation cycle first before adding any herbs into the mix.
I have a friend who worked on methylation for a year before being able to tolerate herbs. Herbs were just way too strong.
I've been working on methylation for a couple weeks and feel better than I have in 6 months.
Herbs can be very strong and powerful. I hope you can find a workaround so you can tolerate them.
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30 drops 4 times a day??
That is too much. The max for adult is 30 drops 2x a day. Building up slowly.
I got to 25 drops 2x a day- held there for a long time. I'm about 100 pounds. Detox may help...
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My LLMD has me taking Ginger twice a day to counter the nausea. It has worked very well. I also used the herx procedure, which is listed at the bottom of each page, when I had a particularly bad herx (feeling unusually sick).
Surprise,
The Cowden Protocol does call for taking 30 drops of the anti-microbial herbs 4 times a day.
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surprise
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Sorry, I thought original post meant the same tincture (example Samento) 4x a day at 30 drops.
1 type of tincture should be max 2x a day 30 drops.
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ukcarry
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Perhaps you can just stick to the lower doses of samento and banderol that you tolerate for a while and then build them up. The other drops (Burbur, sparga, pinella, trace mins) are probably not the issue, so try sticking to the doses of those that are standard on the protocol (ie 4 of Trace, 10 of the others).
Are you handling the zeolite? Are you having enough bathroom visits?
It does appear to be very common for people to build up the doses more slowly than the protocol, so just find a level you can handle and give yourself lots of time as you build up....no point in overloading your system.
I have bad reactions every few days and cut right back on the next few doses myself.
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Thank you for all the helpful suggestions. I do not think it is the detoxification items and the zeolite that are the culprit.
It is certainly the antimicrobials. I am just going to stay where I can right now and not beat myself up for not being able to get to the recommended doses yet.
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ukcarry
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Good thinking!
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My practitioner uses a modified cowden - just samento/cumanda/burbur with other things such as GSE. She has healed lyme patients with 10 drops twice/day of each of these herbs. If you are herxing that means it is killing stuff...you need to lower the dose to a level that you can function on!! She now uses up to 20 drops twice/day but normally does not recommend 30 drops twice/day. Everyone is different and you have to listen to your body.
Zeolite can make you feel terrible so you want to make sure that is not the culprit as well.
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glm1111
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Look into treating parasites which is now recognized as the number one co-infection of Lyme by ILADS. This could be the missing link for you and you might need antiparasitics.
This protocol doesn't seem to be working for you and when you keep doing the same thing and expecting different results it's unrealistic. Google parasite symptoms and see if you can relate.
I took 4 yrs of abx and kept herxing, but was still very sick. Treating antiparasitics was the only thing that turned the corner for me.
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glm1111: did you treat parasites while still taking abx? or should you go off of abx while treating parasites?
I'm thinking of tellling my LLMD on next visit to treat parasites even though test came back negative, been 3+ years and no better.
Is it OK to treat parasites even with a negative test? will anything happen if you really don't have them?
thanks for any info
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glm1111
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I was off abx when i treated parasites, but I have read here others treated parasites while on abx.
I took antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy, Humaworm, Hulda Clark and Hanna Kroeger Wormwood Combo plus salt/c.
Herbs and salt/c are very benficial and can knock out most if not all of these pathogens. Ninety percent of the people on the planet have parasites.
I tested negative for parasites and was loaded. the tests are very inncacurate. Take a look at the current PARASITE WARRIOR SUPPORT THREAD.
Gael
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It's worth mentioning that, if parasites are in fact holding you back, the Cowden protocol does have built-in rotated antiparasiitic herbs, the main relevant ones being: Banderol..........anti protozoal Quinoa.............ditto Cumanda.........ditto and hits worms Enula................ditto .. ditto Mora..................ditto ...ditto
I'm not trying to say that these are necessarily the best options, as I am only on month 2 of the protocol, so can't judge. Banderol in my case is definitely hitting something though, whether parasite, bacteria or whatever!
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glm1111
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The only way I knew if the antiparasitics were working on G.I. parasites was if they started exiting. Herxing constantly does not mean you are getting rid of the parasites. The three main antiparasitic herbs are Wormwood, Black walnut Hull and Cloves.
Some of these parasites are laying 200,000 eggs a day. Cloves and salt/c helps get rid of the eggs. If you don't get rid of the eggs, they will keep hatching and disseminating.
I really urge everyone on this board who is chronically ill to take antiparasitics specific for these parasites.
Gael
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