I asked her about parasite treatment and if I should consider it. She told me you don't try and kill everything in your body. She said if parasites are not blocking something, like they are not 5 feet in your stomach then they shouldn't be treated, and the whole parasite thing is a joke.
She said that parasites actually protect us, in the middle east rarely do people gey autoimmune disease due to parasites protecting us.
What do you think?!
There is a lot of ticks in the middle east. I remember seeing them all the time on animals, and my family and I were always around cows, goats, sheep, and so on. I even believe I had lyme disease long time ago, and I didnt have symptoms until few years ago.
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she is not up on ilads thinking...
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She seems to be sharing her opinion, but doesn't seem to have really done the research imo. I'm surprised she thinks its 'a joke'. If she was really well-educated, she would have learned the importance of this infection from the world-renowned Dr. K.
For instance, how would one know if they have a 5 foot parasite if they don't try to treat? If I were to guess, I bet she hasn't treated any of her patients in ernest for parasites (meaning a long-term rotation of meds).
I can tell you...I've been treating for over 10 months and have passed hundreds of parasites. I still see them exiting every day. Some have been as long as 20" segments. Many many have been 12" or more. Mine are not tiny little microscopic things. They are mature, and have been stealing my nutrients and polluting my system. I wonder if she would think my situation is a joke.
(And btw, I never fit the symptom list. Never had any stomach trouble or GI complaints whatsoever.)
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Don't let her sidetrack you. If your gut is telling you to consider treating for parasites, try to find a way. Without a doubt I think it is one of the biggest underlying issues we have to deal with in order to get better. Even Dr. H at this year's ILADS conference stated that it is the number one co-infection in Lyme patients. Dr. K has been preaching about this for decades. Finally the better LLMDs are catching on.
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Now is the time to assess your Dr situation. I have had LLMD's that don't address everything for the sole purpose of not having to treat it all. My first one said Bart was not a common co, well it's my biggest problem now.
She may be right who knows, but ILADs agrees it's the most common and important coinfection. Plus there's many diff't parasites. There's bloodborne ones that are microscopic and there's worms that can be seen with the eye. I would get clarification on what she meant.
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This kind of thinking by a lot of western doctors is what is keeping so many people with chronic illness so sick. Hard to believe this kind of ignorance exists in our medical system but unfortunately it does.
There is a post in the Parasite Warrior Thread that Lymetoo just posted about a man in California that just died of lungworm. I had severe asthma for over 40 yrs and it was antiparasitic tx that cured it.
If she really knew about parasites in ticks she would know that Willy Burgdorfer found Adult Filarial Worms in the ticks he dissected.
I like Tammy passed TONS of large worms including 20". Wonder if she has ever seen these. www.lymephotos.com I passed everything on these photos and they were as large as they are pictured.
If you want to get well, I would find an ND or LLMD that is aware of this devastating and life threatening infection and knows how to treat it. Better yet, take charge like many of us had to and tx it yourself.
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Parasites don't just come from ticks...they are rampant in the environment, too. And also in under-cooked or mis-handled foods.
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I have to any I have seen 2 Iliads trained LLNP's and while they acknowledge parasites being an issue for some, they feel it is blown out of proportion. When I've discussed it and mentioned what some have claimed to have seen they just shake their heads....one feels I may have parasites due go testing positive by stool culture in the past, but has told me they are microscopic.
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It's funny because my doctor and I had the exact opposite conversation.
My husband grew up in Saudi and we talk sometimes about the spices in food in the Middle East and many of them are the same as what you find in herbal antiparasitics.
So my doctor and I were talking about how smart the people are who just integrate these antiparasitcs (and other medicinal foods) into their diets and keep the parasite population in the body at bay or in check that way.
So the food is already the medicine for many different things. Not like in America where the traditional spices are sugar and salt- and even the salt is mixed with sugar. LOL.
We've completely forgotten how to use the food we have as medicine.
I just don't agree with your doctor. Parasites steal the nutrients from us and weaken us. They are not beneficial, especially to the person whose immune system is already compromised.
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What your doctor was referring to was a theory that our super clean society has reduced the ability of the immune system to respond foreign invaders. It is one of the theories of why children get type one diabetes. So it is thought a little more "dirt" would do wonders for our immune systems. In fact, there was a theory to deliberatly infect children with a type of worm that runs it's course through the body but does not continue to stay inside us, raising the immune systems "awareness".
When you have lyme disease, your immune system is suppressed so things your body would normally fight off, like parasites, it does not respond to. Healthy people are exposed to parasites, but they don't get infested. When you have lyme disease you are vulnerable to everything.
Even Dr. Oz had a show on parasites. Some of our foods is coming from third world countries where they don't have the same sanitation requirements we do and may even use human waste as fertilizer. So third world diseases are being brought here in the food we eat.
If you have pets, you can also be exposed to parasites that are common to both species, such as round worms. All horses are wormed on a regular basis because they get infected from the eggs left from feces in the soil. If these parasites are so prevalent, and our immune systems are deeply compromised, it only makes sense for us to consider them.
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all i can say to such thinking is that if you didn't grow up with parasites and don't have a diet that controls them or purges them, and you get them in later years, you need to purge them because they're a drag....been there, done that....and i feel better....
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Luvema, I think a lot of docs feel the same way yours does. They are wrong though when it comes to lyme and company. They were trained to believe that since we live in a first world country, parasites simply don't exist here, especially with our water and sanitation methods.
Parasites and bugs can sense a sick body. Nature has designed parasites and microbes to help break our bodies down. It's a normal cycle. That's why sickly people attract bugs much more than a healthy person. And that's when all the parasites, lyme etc, in our bodies flourish. It's up to us to knock them back so we can fight all the other co infections, attacking us. Parasites are key.
We cannot get well if we don't control yeast. The same applies to parasites. Many of us have been ignored by docs when it comes to parasites. They usually want evidence. This is where the herbal parasitic formulas, salt C, and meds come in handy.
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Ask her why then were parasites stated to be the #1 co-infection in Lyme Disease at the last ILADS conference?!
There are all sorts of LLMDs, some good, some not so good. I've found that you need to do the research yourself and don't rely on everything a doctor tells you. We have tried all sorts of treatments for our son, and are seriously considering doing parasite treatment.
Read the "Parasite Warrior Thread" written by poster glm1111. Better yet, makes copies of everything and give them to your doctor. She needs to learn more about this!
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- I would find another doctor who is interested in continual education - and you should not have to educate any doctor. And we can't really, teach them all they need to know, for crying out loud.
You deserve a doctor is well up to speed. This one is not.
ILADS has presented several talks about this. Most true LLMDs are well aware, even if some more so than others about how to approach, any LLMD who is really connected with ILADS should know this.
The matter of parasites has not been really explored as a coinfection until recent years but it should have been from day one.
Even the day that Willy Burgdorfer first saw the Borrelia b. spirochete, he also saw with it, parasites. This is nothing new. -
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my doc didn't believe in parasites either.
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I think she should have phrased her position differently. How about: "I don't know much about parasites and whether this is an issue, and I don't have a protocol for treating them." This would be honest, yet more open-minded to potentially learning something in the future.
I feel there is a lot of overlap between protozoa-type microbes like babesia, and anything we might call parasites. Certainly this LLMD must recognize babesia, how does she know for sure what other organisms do or don't play a role?
Mostly we all have to keep treating bacteria/microbes/fungus/parasites until we start feeling better, regardless of whose rule book they are found in.
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Well said sillia.
My one doc is very knowledgeable and is steering my treatment for parasites. My other wonderful LLMD is not knowledgeable on the topic but is "all ears". She is very supportive and open-minded, and is overseeing me during my treatments. The best docs are always open to learning new things and don't dismiss things so quickly.
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I saw several LLMDs who made me worse off than before, until my i met my current doctor. I finally started healing, five years into my Lyme disease...
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