droid1226
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Doesn't matter if I'm watching a game, simple conversation, or even by myself. I think it starts with a stimulus trigger normally. It's been going on since day one of my illness.
Not anxiety. Adrenal problem, I think. My heart rate is normal,Bp is normal, but I feel like I'm going into battle but have no energy to even if I had to.
I have bartonella, but I want to make sure I'm not missing adrenal/thyroid problem. I know somethings going on in thyroid because of very low body temp. I taken free T3 with no effect on body temp.
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- Inner Ear & Adrenals, too, I think. With the toxicity and effects of TBD, of course.
It may be best to change HOW you watch a game - and it may be necessary to just not watch for a while if the sensory overload brings on damage.
Is one station less intense with their coverage?
Can you mute or lower the sound and adjust the brightness of the set? Close your eyes the instant some graphic design blows up in your face?
I can't even watch local or main network evening news programs anymore do to the horrible assault of visual graphics and auditory hits (even if not loud, they "swoop" or beep in ways that are very disturbing).
PBS NewHour is the only news that does not do that. Or certain websites (but most are too attention grabbing). -
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Note that every one can also be due to lyme or other TBD, or adrenal distress. Still, if vestibular symptoms are present, everything should be done to minimize their effects, retrain if possible (which is not always possible if from infection, during infection) - or otherwise compensate or offset.
AVOID ALL FLUORESCENT LIGHTS. Go back to the regular bulbs, even in your kitchen with lamps. So much stress off the inner ear, brain and adrenals when we avoid fluorescents (energy saving) bulbs.
I'm one to help save energy but, for many, it's a matter of health and the new bulbs are causing lots of trouble for some folks with various medical conditons.
Conversation, by the way, is very taxing and even trouble from a simple change in where you look can indicate vestibular involvement.
Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS & SCD - Superior canal dehiscence -
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droid1226
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Thanks to both of you. I cannot avoid stimuli, except maybe wearing sunglasses inside (ugh). But interactions are inevitable and unavoidable as I have to support treatment financially and deal with the world.
What are the best things I can take for thyroid and adrenal support? Script or not.
I will ask to get back on T3, pull the ginger caps back out, and get back on rhodiola. Anything else I can take that's not a benzo? I need a causative fix, other than my treatment.
Need the best thyroid and adrenal support. Armour thyroid maybe?
I notice it's way worse or way better when I take my pain meds. I'm assuming it's the toxicity of the hydrocodone or ibuprofen.
one thing that has helped me with what you are talking about is Ashwaganda. My spikes are not nearly as bad and the stuff is benign and cheap.
just my two cents.
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- Rhodiola may be too strong (at least alone). Start with any of these ashwagandha, cordyceps, Eleutherococcus senticosus, etc. (or all in a blanaced formula)
See the adrenal links and get the Wilson book. -
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- Hydrocodone contains acetaminophen and that blocks glutathine all through the body, including the lungs and the liver. Increases toxicity. And it is toxic to the inner ear system.
Unfortunatley, ibuprofen can be very hard on the kidneys as it constricts blood vessels.
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Wait, what? Hydrocodone contains acetaminophen? I take vicoprofens and not vocodin for the exact reason I don't want acetaminophen because of the glut inhibitors.
Keebler. I read that link. I've tried everything for pain management...LDN, acupuncture, neurontin, pot, fentyl patches, reiki, daily glutathione injections(cause way too much yeast but sorta work)....nothing works.
Hydrocodone lowers electricity in my brain. I'm on one a day and won't go over that. I hope it doesn't have aceta...I've been taking it for months.
If you are trying to "lower electricity in your brain" (and, believe me, I know exactly what you mean) . . . Lithium Orotate is where I would turn. It's very neuroprotective in that way.
The hydrocordone can be causing more trouble than it seems from its toxicity (due to it blocking glutathione and that affects the brain, too).
Even a single dose can do damage - see the articles in the Liver Support thread that specifically say even one dose can damage the liver's glutathione abilities.
But its numbing effect can mask the damage.
Other than Corydalis (see pain thread) or Lithium OROTATE, magnesium and taurine also calm the brain and help lower that neuro-excitability problem.
If you happen to be vegan or vegetarian, a taurine deficiency can cause a feeling of "electricity" in the brain. But so can many toxins. Some from foods.
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- T3, alone, can be very excitatory and then drop you like a rock mid day. Be sure it's time released and also with T4.
Cytomel (T3) even when taken with a T4 Rx (probably either synthroid or levoxyl) nearly killed me years ago when it was short acting. I became suicidal everyday at the same time.
It took my ND to figure that out as all the doctors had no clue. When the thyroid and adrenals crashed from the T3 drop, I could just not move or think and it was terribly depressing, mood dropped hard and fast. I was reduced to a lump of tissue, just wherever I happened to be. Could not even move.
I hear that there is a timed released version of Cytomel now or one that is a combination. But I'll never touch any thyroid Rx again, ever. None of them worked well for me, though, in theory, they should have.
Now, NatureThroid works best for me. It's a natural T3 & T4. Huge difference.
While both WestThroid (which makes NatureThroid) and Armour use porcine (pig) thyroid, I am more comfortable with the care of the pigs used for the NatureThroid. At least, the last time I checked, their pigs were better cared for than those others use.
I do not want thyroid from pigs that are at the same lots as most of our nation's food supply. They are treated terribly.
I really would rather have synthetic, actually, due to the pig situation but, for some reason, my body just can't handle the synthetic thyroid meds and I do feel better with the NatureThroid. -
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I def don't put anything else bad in my body. Aspartame, coffee, sugar, gluten...But thanks. Naturethroid sounds good I will get some. Along with taurine, which I should have for energy anyway.
I just called my dr. who has me on vicoprofins and he said it doesn't have aceta..only vicodin does....Idk
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- Vicoprofen (hydrocodone and ibuprofen) --
Remember, though, that can be hard on the kidneys. . . and anything hard on the kidneys can also be hard on adrenals. The adrenals and kidneys are so connected.
The liver support thread also has that detail on ibuprofen constricting blood flow and stressing kidney function.
The adrenal glands sit right on top of the kidneys. Same blood vessels for both. If something constricts blood flow to the kidneys, it constricts blood flow to the adrenals, too.
And, it's likely that such blood vessel constriction is not just for the kidney region (that includes the adrenals) but it also affects other blood vessels in the body as well.
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What got me back on track with the adrenals was ashwaganda and pregnenolone. They are adaptogens that help the body help the adrenal glands.
As far as thyroid most use either Nature Thyroid or Armour. I use Nature Throid as it has less fillers in it and more T3. I also take T3 as a supplement several times a day.
You must also balance your hormones. I don't know how old you are, but estrogen, progesterone and testosterone need to be supported.
It all goes together to balance everything.
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Droid, To my knowledge, I could be wrong but Vicodin is Hydrocodone and acetaminophen. Vicoprofen is hydrocodone and Ibuprofen.
So Vicoprofen does not contain acetaminophen, it contain Ibuprofen (Motrin).
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I see keebler told you that already---sorry, lol! OOPS! Didnt read through everything first.
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Just a guess , but possibly phosphatadyl serine , GABA , OR taurine amino acid . These all calm down the fight or flight chemicals that are supposedly over excited neurons. Lithium orotate also ( mineral not a drug ) calms the hyperactivity down .
Go to website of Priscilla Slagle MD - "The Way UpFrom Down" or go to amazon and look up the book "The Mood Cure " that discusses amino acids .
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I would really like to understand the role of epinephrine in modulating body-systems.
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- A lot of folks can't take Valerian. A lot. It can cause a terrible "hangover"
the role of epinephrine for those with lyme?
Not so much the role but the reaction - it's a rocket fuel and a time bomb all in one - and will blow the adrenals right out of the water. Avoid it at all costs in dental anesthesia or if a surgery comes up.
Vital to know in advance. NO EPI should be put on the inside of dental and medical charts. Far too excitatory. Far. By far. That's just one reason so many do poorly at the dentist. -
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I don't understand why you say epinephrine would blow the adrenals out of the water. Epinephrine is prouduced by the adrenal glands. I think your warning is a little too harsh as I had a minor procedure done using epinephrine injections and it was not a problem. It made me slightly shaky, but it clears in about 20 minutes. Not a biggie.
While I do appreciate your extensive research, I don't think your concerns are always accurate for general advice.
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