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chuck172
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Is there any benefit in taking ledum as a preventative to lymes? Seems like between myself, my dogs, my wife- we have daily tick encounters here in rural sussex county nj.
I've had lymes twice, my wife once, my dogs numerous times.

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Ledum is great to always have in your pocket for any walks so that the instant you might see a tick on you, you'd take it.

Of all the homeopathic selections, this would stand the best chance but as for daily use, I don't know.

I was on it for 2 weeks at one time but the dose was gradually changing all that time.

A LL ND would know best - or other ways. I think taking any of these, a combination or rotation might be of help.

Off the top of my head, both have action against both lyme and malaria (so I would hope also babesia). You would need to cover as many bases as possible.

ALLICIN, ANDROGRAPHIS, OLE - I will be back with links sets for each.
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When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods:

if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -

- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )

Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.

When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc. (Be aware that those in this category can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first.)

Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;

knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches.

BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL & SAFETY links,

BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,

LOW HEAT INFRARED SAUNA detail,

BIOPHOTON - BIONIC 880 (& PE-1) links, and

RIFE links.

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Pulling out of that set above the links for HOMEOPATHY:

(Thanks to Robin123 for this):

http://www.outofthewoodsbook.com/

"Out Of The Woods" written by Katina Makris,

Lyme patient, who's also a homeopath. She treated with homeopathy and herbs and is doing better.

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thanks to patches10025 for these links:

http://www.cindeegardner.com/articles/9545617127/treating-lyme-disease-naturally

Treating Lyme Disease Naturally

- by Cindee Gardner, Ph.D., HD (R.Hom.), D.Hom., C.Hom.

a satisfied patient:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MPzIZjW7-k&feature=related

13-minute video � by ColdUnderstanding Jan 14, 2012

- after other treatment failures, one young woman�s successful experience with homeopathy & herbal support treatment.

Just stay with her as she takes us through how she succeeded. She said it "worked miracles" - very authentic. Very hopeful.

(Parental caution for those with young children near your computer as you watch: there are few "adult" words near the end. Totally in context and within reason, yet perhaps not best for young ears.)
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Keebler
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I'm thinking that aroma we would give off from garlic/allicin might help keep insects & ticks from biting us in the first place. Maybe. Should consult a LL ND for their thoughts.


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/119197?#000000

Topic: GARLIC vs ALLICIN


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/119089?#000000

ANDROGRAPHIS paniculata - LINKS SET


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=121034;p=0

BERBERINE � LINKS SET


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=030549;p=0

OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT - LINKS


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=117755;p=0

Topic: RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS
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Judie
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Tried ledum right after being infected and it did nothing. I still needed doxycycline. Ledum didn't seem to hurt anything though.
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I haven't tried ledum but I don't think it would be strong enough to protect you from getting Lyme if you are bitten. I don't know if there is anything we can take prophylactically...? Lyme & the co-infections are pretty serious. Ticks usually have more than just Lyme Disease, too. They also can carry parasites.

There are some "natural" things you can apply to try to prevent them from attaching. Not sure what to use on a dog. I have a cat & he stays inside.

Try googling "tick repellant" or "natural tick repellant".

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chuck172
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How about giving ledum to my dog who is currently on his 4th week of doxycyline due to lymes?
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LYME is pretty forceful. Homeopathics are very subtle.

Ledum is not likely to help your dog in that way, at this point and with the dog on Rx. OTHER homeopathics for symptom relief may help though.

There are some naturopathically minded (and educated) Veterinarians. I suggest finding one who knows ALL the support / adjunct options for your dog.

A gluten-free diet for the dog will likely help a lot, too. In fact, I would it say it's essential for all dogs, all the time but especially for any with health challenges and most especially those with tick-borne infections.
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You might post in General for a Holistic Vet

Ask your local lyme support group leader.


http://www.ahvma.org/

American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association


I cannot tell by that website above exactly what eductation requirements they have for members. They also don't have a link that I can see to "find a vet"

The term "holistic" can have a broad interpretation. I would call your state (people) ND group and ask for suggestions on how to proceed. Beyond just a "holistic" vet, though, you'd need one who is very well educated about lyme and ALL tick-borne infections.

Also one that can guide you to the best food that is guaranteed gluten free and also free of harmful additives that can hide or be absent from the ingredient list.

If you have or know of a LL ND, ask them for a vet reference. Some may do acupuncture for pets and that can help treatment work better.

Dog massage (that you can learn to do) can be a wonderful help for pain relief and circulation. Then get the dog to walk on your back and hit all the "ahhh" points, eh?


http://www.naturopathic.org/content.asp?contentid=46

American Association of Naturopathic Physicians

New Jersey Association of Naturopathic Physicians

Ho-Ho-Kus, NJ - phone: 201-444-4900
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There may also be books for dogs with LYME. Maybe others know of some?
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Brussels have told me that in Switzerland high LM dilutions of Borrelia nosodes are used by vets for preventing borreliosis in cattle.

She had used it on her cat, herself and her daughter. After taking it, the ticks that she found on her cat or her dauther were Borrelia free.

I'm thinking of ordering those to try.

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