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They refuse to turn it off at night. I get a .5 to 1 pulsing read from my trifield meter when the hot tub is on(which is most of the night and alot of the day) from the floor of my bedroom.
I get the same read on my bed and I do have a metal bed frame, but also get the same read on my wood dresser with no metal so not sure changing the frame would make a difference. I tried changing rooms and it doesn't make a difference.
Problem is not only can I hear it but feel it also. I get a pulsing vibration in my body and I wake up in the middle of the night with pain in my front teeth, tongue and roof of my mouth from my tongue pressing so hard against them.
It would be hard for me to move. Is there a way to protect myself from this? thx
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dogman2, oh my. I can't image your suffering from this. I'm so much better with vibration/current than I used to be.
Have you tried searching some Gigi posts from the past when she discussed emfs? I believe she also had some suggestions on things that can help with outside protection.
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Have you checked with the city or county codes in your area? Since you can hear it, maybe it could be related to noise that has to be stopped after a certain hour, for a certain time period? Just a thought.
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- As you approach your neighbors, I would deal solely with the sound / vibration. You are much more likely to find some kind of change from them along these lines.
Feeling it, the motor vibration can be felt for a long ways from the motor, even when barely running at all. This goes for ALL motors. Always. It's just that some people are more affected than others.
It can also depend upon the kind of motor. Some are just awful. And some are not secure in any kind of casing.
I am very familiar with vibration's effect on the inner ear but also on the heart, etc. And those with lyme seem much more affected for various reasons.
You may be able to find an advocate through your local support groups for Inner Ear Dysfunction and the like. See the organizations in this set for some ideas.
That's that approach that is most likely to help. You may be able to have them agree to mount the motor in a secure case that will not allow vibration and also buffer the sounds.
First: call an audiologist near you and get some kind of support group leader name. From there, an advocate, perhaps. The American Tinnitus group and others are listed here:
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I've spoke with them a few times. They did initially agree to turn it off if they weren't using it at night but changed their mind after about a week.
They're not really willing to discuss it further. I briefly explained about my health/sensitivities, thought she might understand since she works with special needs kids.
Last conversation resulted in her explaining to me how stressful the situation was for her family, and how there was nothing she can(would ) do about it.
It's crazy, that thing runs almost continuously. I don't think they even use it that much. It's not very loud, so I can't complain to anyone about the noise. But I hear it and worse, feel it.
so discouraging...
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If you are in a condo, could you call the association to see if there is any help in the rules and regs -the CCR's?
If you are in an apt, could you ask the manager?
Even if you rent a condo, the owner should still be able to give ou the associations rules and regs - that is they are helpful.
I can't figure out why it would hurt them to turn it off at night? Did you ask why they won't? I know you have....
I am sorry....
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i have not read or heard about how to protect from that
its similar me living next to a bunch of cars parked and some getting moldy and the spores coming my way
when i moved here it was an empty lot but now when there is an accident they put the car here
i figure i cant fight city hall so havent even tried
the places that sell the curtins and paint etc might have something you could fiddle with and make work on the floor...i hope gig comes ...shes the expert
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Wish I had some ideas on things that would help with that. I've used lessemf.com for some needs and they've been helpful. You might give them a call in case they have suggestions. Ugghh!!!
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P.S. Gosh I so feel for that family, my goodness, how stressful to be wasting all the energy and polluting and making someone sicker and then not caring enough to make small adjustments to improve that, yes, yes, I so feel for them, would be LOL if weren't so pathetic.
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thanks, I appreciate all of the support. Hard to get anyone to understand how badly this affects me. Even Bf who lives with me seems not to know what to make of my constantly over-reacting nervous system.
I'm thinking that even if I was able to reduce the emf exposure the noise alone would still be intolerable. It's like my heart rate actually seems to sync-up with the beat of the motor, sounds crazy, I know...but makes it impossible to relax.
Seriously considering talking to an attorney on the basis of personal nuisance to see if I can get them to respond that way. I am fighting for my health, and lately mental well-being, with this going on.
what do you think?
Mods-probably needs to be moved to general, thx.
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- This IS a medical situation, indeed. Ears, brain, heart - all can be wrecked from vibration.
Don't think for one minute that this is just your personality. It's a medical issue and be sure to stand up on that anytime even (or especially) a boyfriend suggests otherwise. His body is not affected the same way but that does not negate that yours is.
Neighbors may be inclined to put this off as a personality issue. Do not let that "go there" - be very careful and stay focused on the medical aspect of this.
If you seek an attorney, FIRST seek a hearing specialist who understands hyperacusis and vibration. VIBRATION is your strongest ticket here. You need a hearing specialist / advocate to help guide your attempts.
And, chances are, yours will not be the first request of such an advocate. It's well known and documentable about how vibration can carry and move though buildings.
It's important to get some professional with this science behind you so it is not just a nuisance or over-active nervous system issue.
Call all the ear specialists' offices and ask for some advocate or support group leaders. They may also know of attorneys, or better, mediators.
With a vestibular specialist advocate, and perhaps also a mediator, this could be solved in a friendly fashion. I guarantee you that you are not the first with this situation.
Find out how others have proceeded, around the country. You may not have to reinvent the wheel or take it to court (for that is a long drawn out ordeal, often without justice and leaving neighbors fighting on so many other levels then).
Talk to some mechanical engineers at your closest university, etc., or other specialists that your (soon to come, I hope) new vestibular advocate may suggest.
Maybe your neighbors could test a new protype for a quieter, more sturdy / less vibration motor.
You might also call your municiple offices, though, and just ask if such a motor would fall under any guidelines regarding time of operation. -
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- When I lived in our downtown for 2 years, bus motors nearly killed me. I was right across from a concert hall and the bands' buses would idle around the corner for hours.
Often, the crew buses would roll in the night before and idle the whole time. Seems they needed to charge some kinds of bus generators even when they were not on the road.
Then, even during the concerts, tour buses would idle nearby, while passengers enjoyed the concert. Some of this may be that the driver needed the air conditioning, etc. I talked to many in the chain of command who were nice but they still had to charge their motors.
That kind of vibration really was my undoing. I know how disturbing, medically so, that can be
Key term to practice, shifting the emphasis away from personality. "this vibration affects my heart (brain, inner ear, etc.)"
It can even go through ear plugs as it literally vibrates the whole body and bone is a major conductor of that vibration throughout the body.
I hope you can find a good vestibular advocate to help solve this problem in a creative manner.
WIND FARMS are causing similar problems for many who live nearby (again, some are drastically affected while others may not even notice). You might explore any remedies in that arena. -
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I am so sorry that you have neighbours like that. The hot tub would drive me crazy also.
I had a similar issue where I finally moved because I didn't feel like my space was "my" space anymore-constant sound bombardment and a night-owl neighbour.
Moving was the best thing I did, although I moved right in the middle of my worst neuro-lyme flare, and to this day still do not know where anything is. haha.
Just throwing out some ideas here...
Is it possible to put sound insulating foam on the floor with some wood on top, and then put the legs of your bed on the wood and foam? Maybe just 4 small pieces, enough to rest the legs on?
Maybe put a patch between your bed and the wall, just so it rests enough as to hold the foam to the wall?
What about a white noise generator, or a fan between where the noise from the hot tub comes in, and where you sleep? Maybe it will trick your brain into thinking the noise from the fan is the only noise there?
Metal definitely makes it easier for sound to travel and attenuate... I found this out with a metal frame sofa bed. It was like a tuning fork on my neighbour's, uh, activities...
Good luck, I hope your neighbour either turns the darn thing off, or the darn thing breaks
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- Good idea about some insulation. This can stop some of the building shaking but the AIR would still be pulsating unless the house could be reworked. Air pulsation is every bit an issue as the building shaking.
When I studied this years ago, I was amazed to find out that foam is not at all a good sound insulator. Sound will go right through most foam. Most foam is very loose celled.
Experiment: take foam pillow and put it between a radio and your ears. You will still be able to hear loud and clear.
Rubber is better, though. (but it can smell and is petro). Silicone might be a better choice but not sure if you can buy a block of silicone like used for hot pads.
If you were to be able to spray certain kinds of foam into your walls and floors, there are some spray foams that expand. Some are said to be non-toxic but that's a whole avenue to study and it's an intricate project. That kind of foam is very tight celled, when dried.
If you use wood, use a very tight grain HARD wood, not a soft wood.
The vestibular / hearing support group leaders will know, locally, where to get any kinds of insulating materials.
Still, bottom line is that the sound engineers with whom I spoke about this told me there is really not much we can do to properly insulate an existing structure regarding vibration and some kinds of sounds. It's just too expensive.
Some kind of inner insulated chamber would be more cost effective but hard to properly ventilate without - a fan (hmmmmm).
The Bose QC noise cancellation headset can help, to a degree. Mine helps against leaf blowers but not really against my neighbor's bathroom exhaust fan that is on for hours each night.
Still, Greta's idea about shoring up your bed is a good one. At least you can stop the bed from shaking from the ground. The tighter the material used, the better.
Easier and more effective to put the motor in a very tight insulated box (that would meet safey standards and not overheat, of course). -
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thanks everyone for the replies and support. Had a bit of a meltdown about this a few days ago, 1st with bf but we resolved that.
Told him I'm tired of feeling like I have to apologize for these symptoms and that i'm just trying to survive day to day. And that if he can't stand with me on this then i'd rather stand alone on everything.
That night, agitating cycle went off at midnight again, due to lack of sleep I lost it. Bf went next door, they didn't answer so I actually turned it off myself from the circuit box(really couldn't take it anymore).
Next day called landlord who is also their landlord to see if there was anything he could do. also to let him know we may need to break the lease to move. Of course, he doesn't get it either.
soooo tired of having to explain myself about this, I know there are avenues I can take to help some,just hard to come up with the strength to do it. Am starting to look for another rental.
On a positive note, now the agitating cycle goes off at 9 pm instead of midnight, not sure if they changed it or if my switching it off, then back on in the am did it. Motor still goes on and on though.
Just wanted to say thanks again, my lymenet friends are really the only ones that truly understand what i'm going thru.
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Just wanted to say that it's difficult enough being ill and and using all your energy to get healthy. Having the added stress of living next to this can really push one overboard.
For your sake, I hope you can take care of yourself and work things out with the least amount of added stress.
Best wishes.
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