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jnathan
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I just started clindimycin along with the batrim I was on about a week ago.

I feel completely manic, antsy, like I wanna crawl out of my skin. I do have bipolar in my family and I take meds for anxiety.

But this is beyond anything i have experienced. I've takes 2 mg of klonopin and I still can't calm down. Is this a herx?

I try to only take klonopin if I have to. Any suggestions?

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Call your LLMD about this. He or She should know and may change the dose or support methods.


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=123746;p=0

Topic: MAGNESIUM LINKS sets

Just one of many in that set:

http://magnesiumforlife.com/medical-application/magnesium-in-neurological-diseases-and-emotions/

Magnesium in Neurological Diseases and Emotions

. . . Natural Emergency Medicine when used in emergency situations. . . .

. . . Even a mild deficiency of magnesium can cause increased sensitivity to noise, nervousness, irritability, mental depression, confusion, twitching, trembling, apprehension, and insomnia. . . .
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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=030792;p=0

LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too.
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Re: Food Additives that can trigger or intensify anxiety:


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=029690;p=0

Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors (that are not likely natural at all), etc.
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Be certain that any supplement (powder or pill) does not contain ANY of these as an additional ingredient:

Caution: Aspartate; Glutamine (Glutamic Acid); and Phenylalanine

Each of these can cause far too much nervous system and adrenal system stimulation for many who deal with lyme.
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This information is especially for those with any degree of:

toxicity, exhaustion, anxiety, irritability, agitation, panic attacks, tremors, startles, or seizures:

it is best to avoid these three particular amino acids (other than in normal doses from food or maybe in a balanced formula with other amino acids & other nutrients, but not above the average daily dose.

Even at that, that, some people need to avoid excess foods that contain one or both of those as they can be too stimulating for the brain when it's already overstimulated from neuro-toxicity issues.

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http://www.itmonline.org/arts/glutamine.htm

AMINO ACID SUPPLEMENTS I: GLUTAMINE

with Reference to the Related Compound Glutamate
by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D.

[Just beyond half-way down, see the section:]

Excerpts:

. . . GLUTAMATE IN NEUROLOGICAL DISEASES . . .

. . . In some neurological diseases, it is found that glutamate levels in the central nervous system become unusually high at sites of pathology.

This can occur, for example, if the rate of degradation of glutamate is slowed by an impairment of the enzymes that are involved.

Also, glutamate is excreted by immune cells that take part in inflammatory processes; the result is high local concentrations at the neurons in progressive neurological diseases such as MS and ALS. . . .

. . . The excess glutamate at the neuron acts as a poison; at high enough levels, the nerves exposed to glutamate can be completely and permanently damaged, so that they are no longer capable of transmitting signals.

Thus, while glutamate is a major component of the body, and an essential part of the nervous system, high levels localized in the nerve cells can be quite toxic . . . .

. . . Laboratory research has revealed that in the progressive, debilitating disease ALS, one of the many processes involved in disease progression appears to be damage of nerve cells by accumulation of glutamate.

In relation to multiple sclerosis, changes in control of glutamate homeostasis in the central nervous system might contribute to demyelination of the white matter of the brain (19).

[poster's interjection: lyme also causes demyelination, what that is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demyelinating_disease ] - article continues:

Based on preliminary animal studies, it has been suggested that glutamate dumped by immune cells can exacerbate the nerve damage (20). . . .

. . . The role of glutamate in neurological disorders has raised the question as to whether persons with such neurological diseases might have to be careful

not to get high levels of either glutamine or glutamate via their diet and/or by taking glutamine supplements. . . .

. . . full article at link above.

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http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/epilepsy.htm

[Do not let the title put you off - it also has great advice for calming anxiety and is very much geared to those with lyme]

Epilespy & Seizures- by Lawrence Wilson, MD

Excerpt:

[section] DIETARY ASPECTS OF EPILEPSY

Food reactions can trigger epileptic seizures. The main culprits are the following foods that are rich in glutamate and aspartate, two very excitatory amino acids:

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. . . and the entire article as it may not seem like it by the title as not all lyme patients experience seizures.

However, the content relates very much so to the neuro-excitatory problems seen so very often in lyme disease & heavy metal toxicity.
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Topic: NATURAL SLEEP & ADRENAL SUPPORT
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A sublingual vitamin B-6 (gluten-free) is very good for times like this.

Avoid or go very light on B-3 (niacin) as that can be too stimulating. No more than what might be in a B-complex and then be sure to take with a full meal.

B-5 can help adrenals, too.

FISH OIL
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Looking at your recent posting history, a couple weeks ago you asked about getting a steroid injection from a pain doctor. You tended to sway in that direction.

If this was done, it could explain anxiety / manic experiences. Your LLMD would have the best advice in that case but it could take much longer to settle down . . . and with sturdy support for adrenals and aggressive rest.

Hope that is not the case, still, if so, certain measures are all the more important right now.

Good luck.
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No I decided not to do the injection I felt it definately was not worth it. I have calmed down now thanks to the klonopin.

I'm hoping it was just a herx. If do the llmd what do u think he would suggest?

on a completely different note does lyme cause you to gain weight or mess with your metabolism?

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And why no gluten?
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This is the exact same reaction I'm having with the clindamycin and bactrim. I just increased my clindamycin dose last week (couldn't handle higher dose) from 1/4 of my goal dose to 1/2. And suffering is an understatement. I'm dizzy and my anxiety is through the roof. I've developed nausea and actually thought I might faint this afternoon.

I don't know if it's a herx or not, but it's barely tolerable. I was on bactrim and doxy before this and making progress. When I was switched to clindamycin and told my llmd about this, he said it's hitting on something and it's a herx which is why I was taking a 1/4 of my dose. But after my increase, I feel awful.

I'm debating on discontinuing the clindamycin until I see my doc. I literally have to lay down to keep from fainting. And the anxiety and faint hits like a freight train, super fast.

I hope you can find some relief. I'm doing all the standard detoxing and supplemental support as well.

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Some people use alka seltzer gold for herx. Don't continue this longterm. Just once or twice to help with the worst.
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Sounds like bartonella. You're going to have to change your diet. Veggies, low carb, no dairy(for some), no gluten, no sugar...

You prob don't have bi polar in your family, probably lyme and/or co's.

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Weight gain...yes definitely!
I think the adrenals get messed up...cortisol secretion changes...we gain weight.

At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it
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quote:
Originally posted by jnathan:

And why no gluten?

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Gluten can cause neurological problems. STAY AWAY FROM IT!!! It may be your MAIN ISSUE.

www.celiac.com

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Also... Candida/yeast affects your gut health and neurological health.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/21/4595712/gut-feelings-the-future-of-psychiatry-may-be-inside-your-stomach

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