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Does anyone take these? Are they recommended by llmds? I am wondering because they seem significantly less expensive than the other brands that are supposed to be good. Would like some input.
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I like Jarrow's Jarro-Dophilus Allergen Free because it has 2 strains I need, one to boost T-cells and one that's supposed to help heal the gut. And it doesn't constipate me like so many other probiotics I've tried.
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Yes, that is one of the ones I use. The one I take has 5 or 10 different strains. My llmd recommends Jarrow because they survive stomach acid pretty well.
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This is a 6-day supply. So a month's supply would cost $69.95.
One of their products only contains 3.4 billion CFU's.
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It is nice that Jarrow makes probiotics that are good but that do not have the massive mega doses some of us (esp. those with certain specific methylation issues and/or sulfite sensitivity) are unable to tolerate...
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I've not tried their probiotics. But I do very well on jarrow magnesium optimizer, ALA, and pantethine. So they work for me.
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I agree regarding the dosing which is why I use Jarrow in combo with other pro.s Metragenics Ultraflora is really good too but only has 15 billion units - however when I add them to the mix it really helps my gastro health.
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Razzle...
How is high doses of probiotics not good for those with methylation issues?
I take a relatively newer probiotic from Vitacost. It is Nature's Way Primadophilus Optima (100 billion count per capsule). It has 10 different human digestive strains and is stocked refrigerated, and shipped with cold packs.
It is comparably priced to Custom Probiotics product Lymetoo uses.
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quote:Originally posted by TNT: Razzle...
How is high doses of probiotics not good for those with methylation issues?
I take a relatively newer probiotic from Vitacost. It is Nature's Way Primadophilus Optima (100 billion count per capsule). It has 10 different human digestive strains and is stocked refrigerated, and shipped with cold packs.
It is comparably priced to Custom Probiotics product Lymetoo uses.
Not everyone with methylation issues needs be concerned about this - just those with CBS and/or SUOX variants.
The tolerated dose is unique to the individual, because everyone's enzyme levels, other sulfite exposures, and sensitivity threshold will be different.
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Razzle...
It's late, so maybe that's why I'm not understanding. Could you be more specific how this could affect a person with the CBS and SUOX mutations. Do probiotics increase ammonia levels?
Which reminds me, I have to eat my yucca and go to bed. Goodnight....ZZZZZ
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Up for response. I too am curious about this.
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During my lyme treatment, all I took was Jarrow probiotics. I took 6 per day.
Plus I drank kefir daily and made cultured vegetables and ate them daily for the first 3 months. These are additional forms of probiotics.
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I use a few of their products. I do consider them pretty good quality, at least compared to most health food store type brands. I don't use their probiotics, but I do take their Saccharomyces boulardii, glutamine, ALA, and, in the past, SAMe.
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Plus I drank kefir daily and made cultured vegetables and ate them daily for the first 3 months. These are additional forms of probiotics.
- THAT is what I wish I had done for the past 30 yrs of my life!! Or how about since childhood!?
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I am with you on that Lymetoo! I only wish I had taken better care of my digestive health before (and even after) lyme treatment began.
I love dairy products, and I used to drink homemade kefir regularly, and eat homemade yogurt, but now I cannot tolerate it-gives me loose bowels.
I do eat homemade sauerkraut. We just made our own, but added too much salt. Go easy on the salt! It doesn't turn out very good with too much.
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quote:Originally posted by TNT: Razzle...
It's late, so maybe that's why I'm not understanding. Could you be more specific how this could affect a person with the CBS and SUOX mutations. Do probiotics increase ammonia levels?
Which reminds me, I have to eat my yucca and go to bed. Goodnight....ZZZZZ
Probiotics are organisms that create sulfites as a byproduct of their bacterial action on food we eat. It is not an ammonia issue, it is a sulfite issue.
The CBS mutation increases the amount of sulfites produced by the methylation cycle because it speeds up the rate of the conversions. This puts extra "downstream" stress on the SUOX enzyme and can result in sulfite sensitivity symptoms.
Essentially, sulfite sensitivity those with the CBS mutation is caused by toxicity or overload of sulfites, from not enough SUOX enzyme activity to process the increased load of sulfites relative to the speed at which the CBS enzyme is functioning.
Any and all fermented foods contain sulfites. So for those who have sulfite sensitivity, the ingestion of probiotics (which "ferment" foods we eat - usually for our benefit) must be carefully controlled so as to not overload the sulfite processing mechanism (SUOX) in the body.
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TNT.. I don't use ANY salt in mine. Works just fine without. I'm sensitive to salt.
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Thanks, Razzle, that explains it well. Thankfully I don't have a SUOX mutation, only a +/- on CBS 699. So, what do you do if you need alot of probiotics while on antibiotics? Seems like that would be a major problem.
Lymetoo, I wasn't aware you could make it without the salt. I thought that the salt was necessary for inhibiting the bad bacteria for the first 3 days until enough of the good took over. So that's useful info, although I like salt-lots of it (not table salt!) -though even I have a limit.
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I use Ther Biotics by Klaire Labs and really like them better than any other probiotic I've ever used. They do need to be refrigerated though.
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quote:Originally posted by TNT: Thanks, Razzle, that explains it well. Thankfully I don't have a SUOX mutation, only a +/- on CBS 699. So, what do you do if you need alot of probiotics while on antibiotics? Seems like that would be a major problem.
Each individual's sulfite tolerance threshold is different - so it really would be trial and error to figure out how much probiotic you can handle before symptoms of sulfite issues appear.
In my case, I cannot handle hardly any sulfites. So to use probiotics, I had to start with the tiny kid's doses (1-2 billion/chewable tablet) and slowly increase from there to the dose in the Jarro-Dophilus (10 billion/capsule).
I also find taking Molybdenum and making sure I'm getting sufficient zinc, magnesium, & am not deficient in iron helps to support the SUOX enzyme (even though I also do not have a SUOX mutation) and increases my sulfite tolerance threshold.
And Vitamin B12 (methylcobolamin, in my case) is enormously helpful for dealing with excess sulfites because Vit. B12 binds directly to the sulfites and helps the body eliminate them more easily.
I should also point out that not everyone with a heterozygous mutation of CBS has a problem with sulfites...
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