LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » Have you read this BOOK? I think its unbelievable

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Have you read this BOOK? I think its unbelievable
karawhite
Member
Member # 41374

Icon 1 posted      Profile for karawhite     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Has anyone read this book - Reversing Chronic Lyme Disease - a new paradigm beyond conventional medicine by Craig Bruner.

He really cuts through all the crap and says what a lot of us are thinking. Has anyone used the formulas he writes about in the book? I've only read a part of it and im curious to know what others think.

Posts: 47 | From new york | Registered: Jul 2013  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
randibear
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 11290

Icon 1 posted      Profile for randibear     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
No I haven't. Is it worth buying?

--------------------
do not look back when the only course is forward

Posts: 12262 | From texas | Registered: Mar 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
TerryK
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 8552

Icon 1 posted      Profile for TerryK     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I have not read the book. The description gives the reader no idea what the book is really about. I've been studying lyme disease for 7 years and the description does not make sense to me.

I personally would not buy it unless there was more content in the description or someone who has read it gave me some idea of the content.

The author does not give the reader any idea of his background other than to say that he does not have a medical degree and has owned his own business for 20 years. He has apparently had chronic lyme disease.

Terry

Posts: 6286 | From Oregon | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lpkayak
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 5230

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lpkayak     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I just ordered a free sample on kindle. Sometimes they give you 3-4 chapts and u can get a good feel for the book. Its 9.99 now on kindle

I didnt realize dr b put his guidelines into a book or dr l updated his

--------------------
Lyme? Its complicated. Educate yourself.

Posts: 13712 | From new england | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Carol in PA
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 5338

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Carol in PA     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You can read part of it through amazon.com's "look inside" feature, and you can read part if it through google books.
http://books.google.com/bkshp?hl=en&tab=wp

Hint: If you click on a chapter in the Amazon version, it might only let you read a certain number of pages before it cuts you off.
It often deletes some pages, usually when things start getting interesting.

You can click on "suprise me" over and over to get all the available pages.

Sometimes the Google Books version will only let you read a certain amount, so the trick is to read the chapters that Amazon lets you have, and then try to get the missing chapters through Google Books.
Or visa versa.

Posts: 6947 | From Lancaster, PA | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lpkayak
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 5230

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lpkayak     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Im not that impressed with the writing. Its not very professional at least in the beginning

Hr rambles like i do. Goes on and on making the same point but uses so m as ny words

Hes mad the docs cant cure us-so am i but being mad doesnt help me

Im on second chapt of kindle sample and he mentions mms is good

Maybe it will get better as i go on

--------------------
Lyme? Its complicated. Educate yourself.

Posts: 13712 | From new england | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
CD57
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 11749

Icon 1 posted      Profile for CD57     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
i haven't bought it but I did read a few of the teaser pages. I found what he said he experienced to be absolutely true in my case....he would take something, think it was working, go up in dosage, and it would seem to stop working. Then on to the next thing.

it is unclear if he has/had coinfections, which would probably make me buy it (or not). I find that just Borrelia doesn't interest me much anymore....even my LLMD says Bb on its own isn't really a big deal.

Posts: 3528 | From US | Registered: Apr 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
CD57
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 11749

Icon 1 posted      Profile for CD57     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Esp considering Dr H has renamed this nightmare "MSIDS" which I find much more appropriate than "Lyme disease".
Posts: 3528 | From US | Registered: Apr 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Kudzuslipper
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 31915

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Kudzuslipper     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I read it. I don't really recall the advise... But like all of us he is on a journey.... And it worked for him. May not work for everyone. I like to read people's memoirs... Not sure I like them if they sell them like manuals like this one has, with no experience other than his own.
Posts: 1728 | From USA | Registered: May 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lpkayak
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 5230

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lpkayak     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Fow awile i liked calling "our problem" Lyme Complex. It was easier than saying what ilads stands for

But dr hs way is better...lyme isnt a medical thing at alll...jyst a place

But the switch over will take awhile..ppl still say lymes...There is abook with lymes in the title...how can that happen?

--------------------
Lyme? Its complicated. Educate yourself.

Posts: 13712 | From new england | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymetoo
Moderator
Member # 743

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymetoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lpkayak:
.There is a book with lymes in the title...how can that happen?

-

GAAACK!! That is one book I would never buy! [Smile]

--------------------
--Lymetutu--
Opinions, not medical advice!

Posts: 96223 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
CD57
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 11749

Icon 1 posted      Profile for CD57     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Anyone know if this guy had coinfections?
Posts: 3528 | From US | Registered: Apr 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Judie     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
There was an earlier thread on this book. You might be able to find it in the search.

From the excerpts I read, I disagreed with the authors premise on some things and I didn't find his reasoning scientific though he did believe a lot of things to be true. The book was more based on opinion and anecdotal evidence to me.

My anecdotal evidence and opinion is the opposite of his on some points, so I don't find the book helpful.

Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Carmen
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 42391

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Carmen     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm a huge supporter of antedotal evidence. The whole naturopathic movement has been based on antedotal evidence that has come out of our human history in healing and its responsible for many if not all of the alternative medicines that people here use, including herbs, homoepathics, vitamins, juicing, raw foods, enemas, saunas, salt, etc.

If there are 'scientific' studies on these they have only occured in the last 50 years or less, vitamins being one of the first things 'scientifically' studied. I worked in naturopathic offices back in the mid seventies and it was all about parasites. Now people are finally starting to believe, like a religion but based on antedotal evidience. It took the lyme specialists how long to come to terms with that?

I dont trust science much. If it is funded by a pharmaceutical company or even from many universities they have an agenda and the agenda generally isn't your health. I dont trust the CDC nor NIH.. all biased, all with an agenda.

Science is only great if it is unbiased, without agenda and thats hard to find IMHO.

Although I haven't read this book and probably wont I bet he's got an important story to tell to the common person out there, maybe not lyme savoy folks as found here on this forum but to all those who are yet to become inflicted with one disease or another.

Posts: 803 | From USA | Registered: Oct 2013  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
VV
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 38828

Icon 1 posted      Profile for VV     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
It is certainly anecdotal but may be of some value. Some of his experiments sound over the top, but then again I guess this disease warrants trying every last tactic.
Posts: 922 | From Philadelphia | Registered: Sep 2012  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymetoo
Moderator
Member # 743

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymetoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Judie:


My anecdotal evidence and opinion is the opposite of his on some points, so I don't find the book helpful.

-
Judie did not say she does not support anecdotal evidence. Read it again.

--------------------
--Lymetutu--
Opinions, not medical advice!

Posts: 96223 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Carmen
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 42391

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Carmen     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Did anyone say that Judie does not support antidotal evidence? She, I can only assume, supports her own antedotal evidence.

I personally dont care for the word antedotal because its used to discredit lots of stuff that needs to be looked at and real experiences that people have. It's become a dirty word in science and medicine.

like ... oh, thats only antedotal so lets get real with real science.... and I've already stated my feelings about much of the real science out there these days.

Science can only be trusted when it is science for the sake of science not money... like profit, government grants, pharmaceutical funding, business loans, etc. Everything is held in suspicion until proved worthy.

I haven't seen much real science backed treatment for Lyme, considering the failure rates you gotta wonder what the heck is going on.

[ 12-01-2013, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: Carmen ]

Posts: 803 | From USA | Registered: Oct 2013  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code� is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.