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Has anyone on this forum used it? Any success/symptom relief?
It is my understanding that it has a completely different chemical structure than THC and is 100% legal in the United States. I am looking for a reputable place to order from where it is high quality/organic/potent?
It is also my understanding you don't get high from this. I used to smoke but had to stop in my early twenties due to anxiety from it. Don't want to get high.
Thanks for all your help. Hope everyone is improving.
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No, it's not legal, unless you live in a state that has either medical marijuana (and you have a card), or in CO now.
It's sad that this is so, as it is apparently incredibly healing. But it is so. Some people do it anyway, but it's a risk. Plus, you don't know what you are getting that way in terms of the strain that you want, which is low THC and high cannibinoids.
There are some on the other thread who are doing it. They live in the right states for it.
Also, no, you cannot buy it unless you have a MMJ card in the right state. Any ad you see for it is a a scam. Don't go near that. Who knows what you'd get, if anything.
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I am almost to the point of trying it. I've heard too many people with Lyme say its amazing and since it's oil you can control it so you don't get high. Titrate up and down as needed.
Honestly, I'd just buy it from someone. Who really cares at this point about the law? Just get it from someone you trust and watch YouTube vids on how to do it from there.
Rumi is right. I've been prescribed soo many more dangerous drugs legally.
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I have some. I am experimenting with it. Droid, tell us more about what you have heard?
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I listened twice to Dr John Hick's talk online during the Healthy Gut Summit called "The Healing Power of Cannabidiol (CBD)".
He presented some really amazing information!
CBD is a constituent of marijuana, but it has no psychotropic effects and contains no THC.
It should not be confused with other medical compounds which may contain THC.
CBD can be extracted from the hemp plant which is a different variety of the cannabis plant, and cannot be grown in the US.
CBD oil can be imported legally in the US and CBD is legal in all 50 states and 40 countries.
He talked about the human endocannabinoid system and the amazing power of CBD to reduce gut inflammation by decreasing cytokines, kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells, stabililize neurons and prevent loss of dopamine, so it can help people with Parkinsons and Alzheimers, help with seizures, is antibacterial, increases bone formation, increases myelin production, may help grow new cells, modulates appetite, can affect fat storage and production, decreases anxiety and has a calming effect on the brain, modulates sensory input, is useful for PTSD, cerebral palsy and more!
He said that it is neuroprotective, and decreases dementia. In the case of Alzheimers, CBD can engulf plaques and destroy them!
He said that one should start with a small dose. CBD is not addictive and you will not build a tolerance to it.
It should not be used by pregnant or breastfeeding women since there is not enough known about it's use in that context.
He gave HempMedsPX as the site to go to for high quality CBD products.
Dr Hicks said there are thousands of papers written about CBD and it is well studied.
He said it is safe for kids...start at low dose.
His website is JohnHicksMD.com
He said to direct questions to this email address:
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The following link is NOT the talk that I listened to during the Healthy Gut Summit, but it is a radio interview with Dr John Hicks about Cannabidiol.
I think anyone who is interested will find it informative and helpful.
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Any product that is advertised and sold online to all 50 states is Hemp oil made from the hemp plant and is made from industrial hemp waste--- ie hemp stalks and seeds.
Basically these companies are jumping on the CBD bandwagon and profiting from it when they are selling a worthless product FOR WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.
I have also seen a lab report for Hempmedspx that someone had tested, and it contained very high levels of Heavy Metals. It was from a private group, i will check to see if i can post it here.
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jb151,
The Dr made it clear that CBD was not cannabis oil and that the brand he recommended was made from hemp and therefore had a high CBD content without the THC.
That was part of his point, that CBD is not addictive, one does not develop a tolerance, and has no psychotropic effect, while being legal.
There are many thousands of studies and papers on CBD.
Dr Hicks is an MD who practices Integrative Holistic Medicine and is a researcher focusing on the human endocannabinoid system, especially the immune system and nervous system dysfunction. He is also a pediatrician with 35 years experience and works with kids with autism.
The Healthy Gut Summit was hosted by Donna Gates, founder of Body Ecology. There were 32 functional medicine speakers.
I would not simply discount this information.
I have read some great studies on PubMed.
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I heard him too - sounded great. He said there are 20K studies being published a year on it now. Don't discount this info!
So I too am interested in hearing any reportbacks from folks who have tried it.
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Am currently using about 3 x 15 drops daily. I have been using it for a month. I worked up slowly and did have a herx or two while working up, mostly a headache.
I thought I would give it about 3 months. Only Lyme symptom improvement I notice is I may be sleeping sounder. I still wake up tired but I am asleep longer and there are days I have a little more energy. I put a drop on a cut and it was healed the next day. Scab was gone too.
I reviewed several vendors and went with Bluebird-botanicals.
So the jury is out and watching.
All the Best, MattH
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Thx, Matt - any reporting here appreciated.
Anyone else?
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I don't trust John Hicks. This new "legal oil" trend has a lot of baggage attached. I think this is going to eventually de-legitimize the powers of Cannabis oil. There is a lot of "snake oil" type con game stuff going on right now with CBD oil.
IT IS NOT CANNABIS OIL AND IT IS NOT CURING CANCER.
Rick Simpson was on to something.He uses large potent colas from the cannabis plant. Not Hemp. That oil -(Phoenix tears, Rick Simpson Oil) IS MEDICINE. It is shrinking tumors. It is helping people walk again. It is a Miracle for many people.
Hemp seed oil is not. If they are making paste from the hemp plant and selling it as CBD oil, this is very dubious.
Numerous CBD oil pump and dump scams have been perpetrated in the past few years involving fraudulent material made from Hemp.
Hemp is not what saved Charlotte Figi's life. It is not the same plant as a cannabis plant. And it does not produce the buds from which the meds are made.
Industrial hemp is not potent enough in either CBD or THC to make any kind of effective oil. Hemp seed oil is healthful and good for you but will not put you in remission.
ANY CBD OIL YOU PURCHASE IS FEDERALLY ILLEGAL.
If it's legal, then you are buying sludge made from industrial hemp and you might as well spackle the wall with it. Do not get ripped off.
The cannabis movement is an important one. We're now starting to be bombarded with a lot of bad, confusing and sometimes dangerous information. We need to stay alert and informed.
Cannabis has been very helpful to me in the past, in terms of treating symptoms. But I have not tried Rick Simpson oil, or juicing raw cannabis, because it is illegal where I currently reside. I know someone whose infant died from the same Disease as Charlotte Figi, because the meds are illegal here. Infuriating. If they had purchased industrial hemp "CBD oil" they'd still have lost their baby and would have written off Cannabis as a lousy med. It isn't.
Please. PLEASE. If you want to use cannabis legally without legal repercussions, make your representatives aware of this. That's how it's done. If you have money, spend some on the legalization movement. Industrial hemp is not going to do anything for you. This is not a loophole. It is another con taking advantage of sick unhappy people like ourselves.
CBD oil is ILLEGAL! If you're buying it through the mail, you're either breaking the law and risking big fines and/or jail time, or you are getting hosed by one of these sham companies. Please read the links. If you want good meds, MAKE our lousy corporate bootsucking reps give them to us.
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John Hicks is associated with KAnnaway. Kannaway is one of the slimeball companies that is trying to pass off industrial hemp as good legal medicine. It's snake oil and Dr. John Hicks is a snake for hire.
Please excuse my rudeness but we are confused enough and continually abused and exploited by the Medical world. We don't need another scam run on us by some 2-bit hustlers.
John Hick's Industrial hemp oil is crap and I'd love to know what his price was to push it. Maybe he doesn't even know what he's pushing
Stay FAR away from Kannaway and Hemp meds. If you want Rick Simpson oil you can purchase it at a legal dispensary or make it yourself.
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You are excused and your points are well taken. We are searching for the combo that works. I have done a great deal of research. I have read most of Rick Simpson's stuff and watched his videos.
Here is his latest interview with Patrick on One Radio Network.
His take is that the CBD oil is not bad it is that it is not strong enough to make a big difference. He says you need the THC in the oil for healing. So your point and his is that it is a waste of money.
However since I live in Texas I am not able to get it and if I did I would not be telling a bunch of anonymous bloggers. We do not know who is lurking!!!
That said I am rifing, using high end colloidal silver, and some of the Cowden drops daily, DE and some other stuff. I am off ABX for now because of high liver enzymes.
You explained your experience in early posts, I understand your passion. I will update how my experience goes but in the end you could well be right, it may be futile. Note that I spent thousands on ABX and improved some but I am still sick. I do not know the total damage that ABX may have caused, but knew I could not continue. The rife has really knocked down my CPN and for that I am grateful!
All the Best, MattH
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This one doesn't talk about the oil specifically, but does state that THC did.
"Moreover, a recent publication revealed that Δ9-THC significantly increased the expression of neprilysin, an important endopeptidase for Aβ degradation, but not β-site APP cleaving enzyme 1 (BACE1), leading to a remarkable reduction of Aβ plaques in 5xFAD APP transgenic mice (Chen et al., 2013)."
Again, based on my research, this is why Hemp/CBD oil might treat some symptoms but will not heal........
You need the the oil from the Cannabis plant in order to get the "Entourage" effect from the entire plant.
If i had a seizure disorder i would want the oil from a high CBD strain plant, if i was treating a disease i would want the oil from a high THC strain plant.
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