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So, I started taking Oregacillin and Phytogen.
My LLMD recommended them to support me through a recent virus. I was just feeling better with the virus when I caught a cold. This is when I started the supplements.
Can Oregacillin or Phytogen cause a herx? My cold has gotten worse (which I know colds do naturally).
I am coughing, sneezing, sore glands, itchy throat, fatigue, etc. I'm wondering if these supplements can cause a herx and that's why I'm feeling worse?
For the past 2 nights, my neck (mostly right under my chin) gets incredibly sore! It lasts until mid-morning.
Nothing seems to be getting into my chest....which is good.
I also have a candida issue, and I heard that Oregacillin has anti-fungal properties.
Hoping this doesn't become bronchitis as my bronchial passage sometimes closes up a bit. If I were to need a bronchio-dialator....can't remember if this is a steroid. That scares me....closing up but not allowed to take the drug that would fix it.
This stinks.
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Up for input.
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Saw my regular doc today. Cold might have progressed into asthmatic bronchitis.
I'm now on a Z-Pack and Mucinex. I really, really hope this works because if it doesn't improve within 4-5 days, I'd have to take a steroid inhaler.
When I explained that I can't take steroids, the doc advised that only a few days of an inhaled steroid does not get into you systemically.
I don't know if this is the case. I'd have to speak with my LLMD about it if it comes to this.
I'm just really hoping the antibiotic and expectorant do the trick and open everything up. Otherwise....I don't know what I'll do.
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- The doctor is wrong about saying this: "the doc advised that only a few days of an inhaled steroid does not get into you systemically." (end quote)
Not true. They can be systemic for up to six months in the body. -
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Topic: what do STEROIDS actually do to those with lyme? Risks, long term damage discussed. Links. -
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- There are so many other things that could help. Not for the "Tamiflu" posts but for the others, check this out - and search the web for:
Antiviral support measures LINKS, too, including Buhner's new book: Herbal Antivirals. -
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- I can't look up the brand you mentioned (just too tired) but, in general, but
Yes, Oregano supplements can cause a herx but they are also usually just very strong. Not everyone can tolerate Oregano.
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Yeah.....I didn't buy what I was told about steroids.
I am so scared that if this turns into pneumonia or something that requires this inhaler....I'm in trouble.
I'm going to look at the links provided to learn about other options.
Thank you so much for the responses!
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- Well, here's the deal. If the worst happens, you'll be able to deal the the worst, really.
I've had pneumonia several times and never required an inhaler during those times (and this was long before I knew anything about any kind of support supplements or methods -- but it sure would have helped!).
And, if there is a life-threatening situations that might require steroids, that can be managed, too. The steroid link details how.
But, you are not there now. And, even if this gets worse there are still so many options for support.
I don't have time to sort it out now but I'd sure look into SALT THERAPY. I've read some amazing accounts from Europe (I think) where mostly children but also so adults with long term serious lung illness went to live in a special salt cave set up as a healing center. It was fabulous success for many.
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Jw-over the years many llmds have that to me shot term or topical steroids are ok
Breathing is life threatening-so short term ok
I have occasionally used them on skin or in eyes...and once did the 6 dys of pred
The shots in joints are the worst i think-they made my knees crumble
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This is the fun part about Lyme....there are so many conflicting ideas....even among the doctors.
That salt therapy sounds very interesting.
I definitely plan to ask my LLMD about his thoughts on the salt pipe.
I just keep thinking, if I'm having shortness of breath, and it turns out there isn't congestion that needs breaking up in my chest....what is going on?
Is an air passage narrowing? Argh. Hate worrying.
Keebler is right, though. I'm not there yet....so I should just stick to my treatment and hope for the best.
Wondering if anyone ever felt that there was no chest congestion. Then....after treating for days....boom!....it suddenly starts to break up
and you realize it was there all along.
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- Well, inflammation and lyme go hand in hand. Be sure to avoid foods that cause phlegm, though. Any support to help reduce inflammation is good (as noted in the Tamiflu thread above.
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Thanks for that tip (acetaminophen). The doctor told me to take Tylenol, but I haven't as I don't have a fever.
I could always take Advil and reduce inflammation and fever at the same time.
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Just curious....if anyone happens to read this.
If I'm on Zithromax for a cold/bronchitis.....is it possible that it's killing off lyme/bart/candida bacteria?
Could that account for some cruddy symptoms I would not normally have with just bronchitis or a cold?
I got blood work back and know I am dealing with candida.
I put off starting the Fluconazole until I'm done with the Zithromax, as I feel bad enough as it is.
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Yes, Jwick, it certainly could be a Herx reaction to Zithromax. I took it with Rifampin for Bart.
The salt pipe can't harm you: I have one, though it probably needs replacing now. It is easy to use and may be a sensible good habit for you to start.
Hope you feel better soon.
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I got permanent eye damage from a low-dose topical steroid that wasn't even near my eye (this was before Lyme).
From my experience, it's not worth the risk to trade one set of problems for another.
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