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twinnick
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Does anyone take these supplements?

Do you benifit from them? And how so?

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Both in the category of "support"

There are several kinds of Ginseng. Some are too stimulating for some of us with lyme (unless in with specific other herbs for balance).

The kind matters a lot. As does the source, where it from, etc.

[Siberian Ginseng, though, is not a true Ginseng . . . excellent adrenal support, though.]

I found the same with Ginkgo, for me. Although others do quite fine with this and it can be a very nice gentle support for energy. It helps to increase circulation and, for that reason, many like it to help with brain stuff.

For some (like me), that stimulation (even if not off the charts) was too much not just for my overall body but for my ears. This set tinnitus up many notches. I tried many times. Felt both too jittery and just irritated by the higher tinnitus.

I assume by the selection of these two, you may be wanting brain & cognitive support &/or energy support.

You might try one at a time of these, starting very low (one a day for a couple days, start with breakfast or lunch, no later).

Or, if they sound like they might offer a bit too much oomph, some other adrenal supports which can also help the brain, or you can try something less stimulating for the brain support that I really like: Gotu Kola (not a cola).

Not an herb but, IMO, excellent brain support: FISH OIL.
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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Herbal Safety considerations & reference books; etc.


Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;

knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches with links to articles, books, methods . . .

BODY WORK methods / links (and why anyone who works on your spine MUST be LL to the degree they at least know to never suddenly twist neck or spine. Never. Ever. And that we should never be advised to do neck / head / shoulder stands.)
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Ginkgo can trigger seizures in some persons (my son). There are "ginkgo toxins".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgotoxin

My son NEEDS P5P (active form of B6) to prevent seizures. It works...ONLY the "NOW" brand because that company adds Mg and B2 - which helps us to ABSORB B6).

Genseng (Ginsana)...supposedly improves oxygen uptake and enhances energy.

It is on my counter. I don't have lyme (my sis did, but is now "autoimmune").

Yes, it does SEEM to increase my energy to a slight degree.

Omega 3s...esp. EPA (OmegaBrite - adult and kid's versions) helps reduce inflammation and

eases depression.

Do NOT overdo...flip the other direction...manic...if predisposed.

EPA is anti-inflammatory. DHA is structural and is the component in - esp. - our brain cells (which is why it is added to infant formulas).

OmegaBrite contains a LOT of EPA, a tad of DHA and some vitamin E (to prevent the "oxidation" of EPA and DHA).

It HELPS...not cure...helps.

Anti-oxidant UbiquinOL (recently found helps kids with autism) is good...MORNING! Evening = "wired" (my child).

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This is great feedback!

So is Ginkgo something I will feel the affects immediately or do I need to give it a mont or so....

It takes me a while to get going in the morning. I usually wake up around 6 and don't feel 'awake' tll about 10. Then around 4-6 I hit a low energy period. I am able to work through it all, but am looking for something a little more natural I could add to maybe give me a little boost of energy in the morning and afternoon.

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I would not suggest Ginkgo or some of the Ginsengs for you, considering what you say. Both would likely be too strong of a push and backfire. I've been there, done that. More than once (a slow learner but repeated crashes do teach one!).

Best to find a LL ND if at all possible.

Please, do not look for any kind of energy "boost" - "boosting" can boomerang big time & drop you like a ton of bricks when it's had it way with you, in a very short time.

We can't push beyond what our bodies can do, that is one thing I've learned if nothing else.

Never safe to "boost" - yet for good solid support of our cells / tissue / organs so they can build the capacity to better function, thereby, secondarily, allowing us better strength / energy . . .


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/3/32567?#000000

GOTU KOLA - Informational Links Set


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/89790

Topic: NATURAL SLEEP & ADRENAL SUPPORT
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And be sure not to overlook food as your first line of energy support. SARDINES for breakfast or that mid-afternoon snack may be the best choice.

One perfect example of breakfast: salmon; kale; black rice; tomato . . . with garden herbs and a drizzle of olive oil as you serve it up.

Or chicken soup, veggies not too cooked - or chicken salad w/ colorful veggies, steamed lightly.

Eggs, zucchini, carrots . . . or beets . . . turnips, etc. Curry goes well.

Lunch: Lentil soup / salad / with some red & orange veggies. Red Rice or Millet. Maybe some beef.

Dinner: lots of veggies, sautéed onion, quinoa, tofu (unless you are iodine deficient, then tofu is not so good. Otherwise, all that other gossip about it was just that). A lighter protein at night is best and put the heartier proteins at breakfast and lunch.

Snacks: Nuts; Berries; . . . or

Tofu with Brewer's yeast, garlic powder, chives, sea salt, olive oil, dash of chili powder.

Be sure to get a good range of all 4 food groups, from whole and healthful sources: protein; complex carbohydrates; fat; WATER (I call that the fourth food group). Be sure you are getting enough calories.

A gluten free diet is likely best. Gluten can be a huge drag on energy and brain power. So can simple carbs.
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Wilson's adrenal book (in the adrenal thread) also discusses key nutrients, vitamins, thyroid, etc. That book is very helpful.
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http://www.qunol.com/coenzyme_q10 -- Marnie what your thought on this vendors.

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