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I find nothing in archives so I'll post it here - sorry for the use of your time to read this.
First, I am probably not considered a "newbie" or "light weight" on Lyme disease. I was infected 30+ years ago and have fought a non-stop battle to regain my life.
I've "interviewed" thousands of others also infected with Lyme and have records on over 10,000 individuals.
I found "nuggets" here and there that, added together, reduces the effects of Lyme (but NOT a cure). I then summarized it all into a book of which caused many more thousands to contact me.
In my writing I included probably every possibility mentioned on this great site plus some not noted here.
By following my "summary" I finally have my own health back to 99% normal but it was NOT easy!
I am now wanting to investigate potential treatments that would be considered VERY "alternative" and controversial.
I read a brief article of a lady whose blood was drawn out and circulated through a "warming machine" set at one degree(?) higher than the temperature required to kill Lyme spirochetes (140.5?).
Of the many questions I'd have would be, would such a high temperature kill anything else in the blood needed to sustain life?
Then her heated blood was fed back into her. Supposedly after several "cleanings" all Lyme spirochetes were dead and flushed out. She was cured (the article said). I tried writing the author, magazine, editor, etc. - no response.
Does anyone have firsthand knowledge of this VERY alternative technique? I found another article that showed people sitting in a HOT sauna for an hour above this temp and they also claimed it killed the Lyme spirochetes. Once again, no one would respond to me.
Anyone? Thanks much
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I've never studied (warming the blood), sounds interesting; and I'd like to know more.
I can tell you this, the longer I stay in a (steam-room), the better I feel.
I plan on doing a lot more steams, I'd like to do them twice a day, or at lease once a day.
Let's see what others have to say.
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- The warmer I get, the sicker I get. And it causes damage for me. This summer has been one of the worst due partly to unusual number of hot days for where I live (typically very mild, but not this year).
But back to the warming of blood, and putting it back, repeating over time. I see this as impossible to kill Bb because -
it cannot possible "wring out" all the tissue and bones where Bb can reside. There is never a time when every ounce of blood can leave the body, every tissue in which it resides. -
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- Are you drawn to studying about rife machines? As the frequencies can go through the entire body, I see that as more likely to make a real difference
with none of the complications that can arise with blood withdrawals, it going through machines (that may or may not be sterile, etc.), any plastics involved that may transfer back into the body petroleum chemicals, etc. -
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- HBOT, too. -
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i don't get how this would work, because the bugs in the blood may be killed, but that is not where the bugs are in a chronic infection. They are in the endothelial tissue, cartilate, connective tissue....in essence, NOT in the blood.
Seems good for an acute infection but not a chronic one.
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i don't get how this would work, because the bugs in the blood may be killed, but that is not where the bugs are in a chronic infection. They are in the endothelial tissue, cartilate, connective tissue....in essence, NOT in the blood.
Seems good for an acute infection but not a chronic one.
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Not plausible. How would it get to the ketes in the CSF, the synovial fluid or deep in muscle tissue?
To even treat all the blood... Impossible. How does one survive when all the blood is drawn from the body?!
Even two pints... Enough to cause dizziness but not the entire blood volume.
Also, blood warming... It would need to be returned to body temp before being reinjected.
Traditional heat therapy causes tissue to go necrotic. Lots of article on high heat vs blood and tissues available on the web.
Sorry but blood warming sounds fabricated. Not saying you, just saying maybe it is an urban legend.
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Thank you all for the well thought out responses. I'll keep looking in case I see it mentioned again.
To respond re HBOT I almost tried it but talked to dozens of people who went through HBOT and 100% said their reduction from Lyme effects dropped anywhere from zero to a lot and lasted between three hours and three months - none permanent.
So I didn't do it. If anyone has proof of permanent cure from Lyme with HBOT I'm very open to listening. "Proof" from those selling the therapy has been "glowing testimonials" videoed hours after a treatment. Pretty much everyone Lyme or not feels a high for some hours after HBOT due to increased oxygen in their cells.
Re RIFE. I am an electronics engineers with numerous patents plus did pioneering work for the AEC decades ago perfecting the destruction of objects using resonant sound waves. It is true all matter has a resonant frequency. Sometimes the object has so many different objects in it there is no one single frequency that will destroy it all.
A car for example has thousands of items each with a different resonant frequency. You watch an opera singer shatter a crystal wine glass. The glass is thin and made to vibrate at a single narrow frequency. The singer hits that note very loud and the glass shatters.
Out of curiosity I built probably the world's most complex exotic RIFE machine with EVERY frequency, waveform, etc. possible. Yes, I could shatter single objects with it and a transducer or speaker but no effect on organic matter. You can see Lyme spirochetes with a microscope.
I have challenged manufacturers of RIFE machines to subject spirochetes to RIFE tones while being viewed. All begged off with excuses. I've taken some apart. While the one I built was very complex all of the ones I took apart were simply crudely built cheap audio oscillators with a frequency knob on the front.
Once again they have "glowing testimonials" but zero actual proof. But as an engineer I never say never and I always keep an open mind. I would love for such a machine to actually work and kill various bacteria and viruses from Lyme to cancer.
For Greta - what I read described it as a slow process with no more than a small amount of blood out of the body at any one time.
For several others: yes, even though I am now mostly cleared of Lyme heat still bothers me.
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- Heat can be very dangerous & damaging for those with lyme. A few seem to be able to handle it but they are the exception.
If heat still bothers you, honor that and keep cool. You may not know exactly why but that's an important message from your body.
As for rife, "proof" - well, there are many who have gotten better. Of course, everyone's case varies & most use a variety of methods / supports along the way yet I've known some for whom rife certainly did work.
If you are wanting to study so as to help others in the future (seeing how you are doing so well and don't seem to need to scramble for yourself) . . . basic education about prevention and early treatment is most important. Were that better, fewer would get so bad to begin with. -
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This is exactly what I think may work, based upon some of the clues I picked up here & there.
Heating the blood & then re-injecting it back in. I even bought some heating & monitoring equipment, but I don't have a sterile setting/equipment to test this in.
I nice scenario would be to have a closed system & not allow the blood to be ever exposed to the air. So simply a tube going to a heating & circulating system & then back into the IV & to your body.
This can be very dangerous though & for some people it may cause complications. I think this would be a quick way to clean the slate & give the body a fighting chance. I predict that it will clear out the RBC's & WBC's and provide the opportunity to clear out infections in other parts of the body.
If one cannot clear out the blood, at the VERY LEAST, then there is no hope for the rest of the body.
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It’s best to heat up the whole body with an infrared sauna. Infrared light has the ability to penetrate human tissue which in turn produces a host health benefits.
If you do use it, no more the 10-15 min under the light or until your head starts pounding.
I have used one with great results
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Keebler - I agree. Thank you for responding. Yes, it could be dangerous which is why I would NEVER do it unless main stream medicine did it and came up with solid statistical proof plus assurance it is safe. Thanks
MayBeeOK - thanks for responding! I am planning on submitting a question asking for more info on using light. Sounds like you have experience. That's great. There is far field and near field and then there are full sit in saunas using just heat, near field infrared, far field infrared. It appears individual spot lights of near filed like sold at hardware stores and on eBay. What do you recommend. I may buy a couple of small dedicated low wattage near field infrared (or uv?) lights. What do you recommend? Thanks much.
Gary in Kansas Google w0tm to find me if you wish.
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There was an incident going back when microwave ovens came out.
A person being operated need a blood transfusion. The nurse took out a pint of blood from the fridge. Since it was cold she put it into the microwave oven to warm it up.
They gave the blood to the patient and a few minutes later the patient died.
BE CAREFUL IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THIS PROTOCOL!
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Check out the mHBOT thread when you get a chance. A researcher and fellow patient named Phoiph has done extensive work with this. The key to mHBOT is for a LONG time, consistent use, not 20-30 sessions. Doesn't last.
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Check out the mHBOT thread when you get a chance. A researcher and fellow patient named Phoiph has done extensive work with this. The key to mHBOT is for a LONG time, consistent use, not 20-30 sessions. Doesn't last.
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Check out the mHBOT thread when you get a chance. A researcher and fellow patient named Phoiph has done extensive work with this. The key to mHBOT is for a LONG time, consistent use, not 20-30 sessions. Doesn't last.
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thanks to all no - I would not do this unless main stream medicine did it. And I agree that HBOT has never been proven to be a long term fix for Lyme. Extra oxygen makes EVERYONE feel better for a few hours. They even have "oxygen bars" in a few cities where you pay for oxygen.
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