Topic: Crazy laser therapy at the pain clinic today (have you done photons?)
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
I went to the pain management clinic today to deal with my body-wide, painful neuropathy from taking levaquin (I'm into my 2nd month recovering from my last pill).
They do something called K laser and I've done some focused sessions on acupuncture spots and specific areas.
The clinic decided to try the laser bed with me today since the pain is all over (they use the bed for fibromylgia patients).
I went into the room and saw this tanning-bed looking thing. I was then told it's best if you strip down naked (so it's not for the shy).
The inside of the bed (top and bottom) was covered in tiny light-bulbs with a layer of glass over them to lay on.
I crawled into the bed with the white, paper gown and slipped it off to hand to the tech feeling pretty silly in my birthday suit.
There was eye-covering (like for a tanning bed), a whooshing sound and VERY bright lights while I laid there for treatment.
When I got up, I noticed the machine said "Diomedics Photon Therapy" on it.
Is this like the photon therapy used for Lyme? It would be great to be getting a 2-in-1 treatment. I can't take any meds right now because of the recent poisoning from levaquin (my body is swelling up if I put ANY drug in it).
The tech was really interested when I said I think they use a photon machine in Germany for Lyme and wanted me to bring any info on the subject to the clinic.
The after effects are odd. No pain relief yet, but I feel kind of checked out and high (so I just don't care as much about the pain).
posted
I talked to Sixgoofy .. (she is busy tonight) .. And she said this is not what they use in Germany for Lyme.
She'll comment tomorrow.
Sounds very interesting!
-------------------- --Lymetutu-- Opinions, not medical advice! Posts: 96222 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001
| IP: Logged |
Carol in PA
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 5338
posted
Oh, so they do have whole body machines like this now. That's great!
After using the SOTA LightWorks, which has a light paddle with only a three inch diameter, I kept thinking that it would be wonderful to be able to treat an entire arm or leg with the infrared light.
SOTA LightWorks uses light with a wavelength of 880, like the photon therapy that Dr. W. used in Germany when Six and others went for treatment, except the SOTA model is much weaker.
I wonder what wavelength your treatment uses. I remember that I had Herxheimer symptoms after first using the LightWorks...awful headache and fatigue.
If this happens to you, be sure to do lots of detox for liver support. Alkaline water (artesian spring water) Fish oil Magnesium Acetyl l-carnitine Alpha lipoic acid Undenatured whey protein (amino acids) Milk thistle
Photon therapy (infrared light, cold laser) provides energy that is absorbed by the mitochondria in the cells. When the mitochondria have what they need to work, the cells work better and heal, and you feel better.
Posts: 6947 | From Lancaster, PA | Registered: Feb 2004
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
Carol - Thanks for the suggestions and info!
"I wonder what wavelength your treatment uses."
Apparently it's adjustable in strength. I'll ask the tech next time what she's using.
"I remember that I had Herxheimer symptoms after first using the LightWorks...awful headache and fatigue."
Wow! It's about 6 hours after the bed and I got a piercing headache in my forehead (where I get pain when stuff is flaring). I hope that's a good sign.
I slept about 13 hours after my laser acupuncture a couple days ago. I was tired most of the next day, then started to get energy in the evening.
"Photon therapy (infrared light, cold laser) provides energy that is absorbed by the mitochondria in the cells. When the mitochondria have what they need to work, the cells work better and heal, and you feel better."
Gosh, that's EXACTLY what I need. Levaquin destroys the mitochondria and causes mitochondrial toxicity.
FDA Urged To Add New Black Box Warning On J&J's Levaquin
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673
posted
- Glad to see Carol adds to this. She's been so helpful with light information.
I am drawn to this light. That you get to lie down, only better.
Hope it helps. I look forward to learning more about this another day. Thanks for the detail, link, photo
Judie . . .thanks, also for ALL the good stuff you post, I've been meaning to say that for awhile. Tried to send you a PM a couple weeks ago but your mailbox was full). -
Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged |
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673
posted
- Adding to what Carol says about herx / liver support:
LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too. -
Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged |
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673
posted
- Plastics . . . if they have more than one machine and one is newer than the other, try to get the older one so that any plastic has had more time to off gas.
Ask if they can air out the room with fresh air before you come in. That can also help. -
Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
Hey Keebler - I just cleared out some of my mailbox. Thanks for the reminder!
Good point about airing out the room.
I was actually shocked that the bed had NO ODORS in it. It had a pretty smooth surface, so maybe it just wipes clean. Not sure, but pretty surprised myself that it didn't even smell like someone's lotion or something.
Maybe it's a hygiene issue and they clean it well since people go into it naked. LOL
I know that the bed has been there at least 2 years and doesn't look as fancy as the picture (so I assume it's just an old model).
Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012
| IP: Logged |
GretaM
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 40917
posted
Fascinating experience Judie!
I am on the lookout for pain relieving anything, these days.
How do you feel today Judie?
Posts: 4358 | From British Columbia, Canada | Registered: Jun 2013
| IP: Logged |
posted
It looks interesting, but it's not like what we used in Germany.
The light in Germany is 880 nm, which is invisible (you can't really tell that it's turned on except for a slight pulsating into the visible range, very, very slight.
We put the light on acupuncture points while we had lyme nosodes taped to our solar plexus to direct our immune system to the Lyme bacteria.
That being said, I'm a big believer in the value of light therapy! I try to get out in the sun as much as I can! (not enough to burn ...)
-------------------- sixgoofykids.blogspot.com Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
"How do you feel today Judie?"
I feel different which is good. The clinic said it's good when pain moves, the biggest concern is when no change happens after treatment.
I woke up and the piercing headache isn't there.
I usually have pain in the right side of my neck. It's gone, but switched to my left side.
My Achilles tendons and wrists still hurt, but the pain has changed in my wrists (left was hurting more before, now it's the right.
I usually have consistent pain areas (no migrating pain), so this is interesting to say the least.
I'll see how the day goes, stuff might change.
I just want to be able to wiggle my toes and have it feel good instead of wretched.
Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012
| IP: Logged |
lymie_in_md
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14197
posted
Judie I'm glad you saw the light. I've been experimenting for sometime with light therapy and frequencies in general. It is certainly adjunct to other things you can do to become symptom free. Although I'm well, frequency therapy of all kinds are extremely powerful
My take, various frequencies are good for different reasons and light frequencies being one of them. We currently see the world of communication as RF someday our communication will be light based so RF and LIGHT are both frequencies and both communicate to is in different ways. Our cell phones are RF based soon they will change to light based. The bandwidth for RF is too small for the demand. Light is 1000 times better. All matter is light based, when we eat living foods we eat that organisms light:
880nm is good for providing information to the body, so using blood nosodes when you use 880NM leds are very helpful to educate the immune system. The immune system once educated knows how to handle lyme. there are various pulsations of the light which might educate best. In germany they had a pulsation setting. Maybe six can tell us what the setting was on the LED device.
Infrared is good for pain relief and energy restoration
yellow or amber is good for mitochondria and methylation
Green i believe is the ultimate for passing other information to the body. The body is an information machine. Klinghardt use green laser pointers with vials to educate the body homeopathically. It can help with autoimmune issues.
ultraviolet you can get from the sun, so sungazing or skin exposure gives you all the frequencies. The sun is photon machine and we depend on it for our existence. So getting sun every day is a form of light therapy. Care has to be taken on how much, 20 minutes might good ddepending on skin pigmentation, lighter skin less.
All LED's are good when you're doing other treatments and are complementary, in germany it was important to do a treatment and then give a detox window. Another part of the treatment was using blood nosodes to educate the immune system on how to defend itself. Then there was the magnesium IVs to support the bodies ability to repair itself. Lyme steals a lot of magnesium without it our body can't defend itself very well.
Another item I believe is extremely important, positive people supporting you to get well. People give off vibes, good vibes are healing. we are spiritually connected and when people can uplift us we do better during any treatment. The most important to me is unconditional love -- no better frequency on the planet.
Rife along with light is just another set of frequencies which can be used in concert.
LIGHT is one part of the tipping the balance toward our favor in regaining health. Much of the light treatment we can do ourselves.
Hope you have a great many positives experiences from the light therapy supplementation.
-------------------- Bob Posts: 2150 | From Maryland | Registered: Dec 2007
| IP: Logged |
posted
Interesting ... I hadn't heard about light therapy.
Six Goofy Kids, do you have any links or is there something I could google to read about it?
Thanks.
-------------------- Female. Misdiagnosed with fibromyalgia for six years. Started treating Lyme in 2014. IgG positive for mycoplasma and clinically diagnosed with bartonella. Also have Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Posts: 32 | From New York | Registered: Oct 2014
| IP: Logged |
lymie_in_md
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14197
posted
DTS -- you can find Dr. W who treated six in Connie Strasheim's book in the following link. It is one of the 13 doctors Connie wrote about.
quote:Originally posted by DeathToSpirochetes: Interesting ... I hadn't heard about light therapy.
Six Goofy Kids, do you have any links or is there something I could google to read about it?
Thanks.
If you do a search for photon therapy, Bionic 880 or PE1 on this site there is a lot of information.
Or you can go to my blog (I'd go back to Oct 2008 and start at the last post, which is the first post) that is listed in my signature.
There was also zinc and detoxification homeopathics, plus fluids in Dr. W's post-photon IV treatments. My understanding is that now he uses ozone treatment instead.
-------------------- sixgoofykids.blogspot.com Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
Yesterday, I woke up with more energy, but my Achilles ached.
Today, energy again and less pain, but the headache is back but dull. I think there's something to this.
If you go to the K laser website, you can search for practitioners in your area.
The place I go to is cheap too. They take medicare, but I pay out of pocket and since medicare doesn't cover laser they give me a discount.
Blue Shield or Blue Cross (not sure which) actually covers laser.
Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
Someone asked about frequencies used. I asked the tech today. She said this (perhaps you can make sense out of it):
Freq: 4672 Hz Duty Cycle: 60% Duration: 30m
She was VERY interested in what the frequencies were for Lyme and said she was willing to read up and try it out.
Does anyone know where to get this info???
They have all kinds of laser machines there.
Well, this has been an interesting week. I've had lots of energy. Waaaaaay more than before. One day I felt caffeinated and hadn't had anything to eat that was stimulating all day.
I just wish my Achilles and my body was in less pain. Now I have energy and can't exercise to burn it off.
So, it's working, maybe not on the pain yet...
Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012
| IP: Logged |
Carol in PA
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 5338
posted
Hi Judie, I had wondered what wavelength the LED's use.
I am a bit "electrically challenged" and don't really understand frequencies. I think each wavelength can be used on different frequencies, but I don't know how that affects the results.
Next time you go, ask about the wavelength.
To reduce the pain, you need more electrons in the body. This reduces the acidity of the body and increases the amount of oxygen the cells can get. (The more acid the body is, the less oxygen can be dissolved in the blood.)
Look into "earthing," which provides electrons from the earth. Look into artesian spring water, which has extra electrons for the body to use.
Look into PEMF, pulsed magnetic therapy, to heal the achilles pain. This adjusts the electrical charges on both sides of the cell membranes, and the cells can get the nutrients they need to work better and heal.
Posts: 6947 | From Lancaster, PA | Registered: Feb 2004
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
Wow. I just found this (maybe this will make sense out of this):
According to Dr. Nogier, sickness results when cells, molecules or particles of matter are out of their normal resonance or vibratory pattern. By repeatedly exposing damaged tissue to the normal resonance frequencies associated with that tissue, healing often occurs, sometimes quite rapidly.
In McGee's book, he discusses a hand-held light therapy device that consisted of light emitting diodes (LEDs) pulsed at Nogier's frequencies. According to Dr. McGee, such a device appears to have far stronger healing effects than non-pulsed lasers set on low power outputs or non-pulsed LEDs regardless of their wavelengths (color).
1. (Frequency F, 73 Hz) For use when cellular activity is hypoactive, such as chronic recurring problems, nonunion fractures and chronic splints and for stimulation of osteoid. It is also helpful in activating humoral and endocrine functions. Field work has shown setting 1 helpful in stimulating (tonifying) acupuncture and trigger points and increasing circulation in areas being treated, such as wounds when past the acute stage. 2. (Frequency G, 147 Hz) For areas of yellow scar tissue that are generally formed internally on tendons, ligaments and sub-acute (lingering but not chronic) conditions. Field use has shown setting 2 to be helpful in reducing inflammation associated with injuries and infections. This is often called the universal frequency because most problems involve inflammation.
3. (Frequency A, 294 Hz.) For tissue of ectodermal origin, such as body openings, skin and nerve. Field applications include wounds, eye injuries and after surgery. Setting 3 tends to tone tissue while minimizing the chance of hemorrhaging fresh wounds or recent surgical sites. It is also good for the treatment of acupuncture and trigger points, corneal ulcers and ulcerated mucous membranes. This is called the universal frequency in acupuncture.
4. (Frequency B, 587 Hz.) This frequency appears to be most effective for neuropathy, but also for circulatory and lymphatic stimulation and treatment of tissue of endodermal origin, such as GI tract, liver and pancreas. In field applications, setting 4 has been used in conjunction with 5 and 2 for tendon, ligament, joint and other injuries where reaching secondary levels of tissue is needed.
5. (Frequency C, 1174 Hz.) For tissue of mesodermal origin, such as bone, joints, ligament, viscera and tendon. Field experience has shown setting 5 to be especially good for tendon and ligament injuries when used with 4 and 2. It also helps in relaxing large muscle groups.
6. (Frequency D, 2349 Hz.) For chronic conditions not responsive to setting 3 or 5. Field experience shows setting 6 to be a good supplement to 3 when healing processes appear to reach a plateau.
7. (Frequency E, 4698 Hz.) For pain control, primarily when C nerve fibers are transmitting to dorsal root ganglia and when involvement of neurotransmitters is of physiological importance. Field experience shows 7 to help suppress pain and to sedate acupuncture and trigger points and aid in diminishing excess calcification associated with chips, spurs and arthritic conditions.
The relevant settings for some patients are:
#2 for anti-inflammatory effects #3 for nerve involvement #4 to improve circulation #5 to encourage new bone growth #7 for pain (if applicable)
Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012
| IP: Logged |
Carol in PA
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 5338
posted
The SOTA LightWorks uses the Nogier frequencies, cycling through each of them in a session.
When I used the LightWorks to heal skin lesions (like pimples, infected hair follicles), joint pain, abdominal pain, kidney pain, throat infection, inflamed parotid gland, muscle spasms in the back, infected toe...with all of these, I just let the machine cycle through the frequencies.
It worked fine, no matter which frequency hit which body part.
Posts: 6947 | From Lancaster, PA | Registered: Feb 2004
| IP: Logged |
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673
How Biophoton Therapy Helps the Body Heal Itself - Jan. 16, 2013 -
Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged |
D Bergy
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 9984
posted
The seven frequencies Judie listed are pretty much harmonics of the first frequency. They are just doubled from the previous frequency. Give or take 1 Hertz.
Dan
Posts: 2919 | From Minnesota | Registered: Aug 2006
| IP: Logged |
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480
posted
880nm non pulsed, with nosodes on the solar plexus. No infra red may flash through the nosodes, though, so the big bed with infra red probably won't work very well, I think.
Or who knows?
That is the treatment Six, Bob and I used. And also Connie (I mean, the Bionic has pulsed frequencies, but also uses 880nm infrared).
I used the PE1 non-pulsed 880nm, 660nm and other frequencies with nosodes on the solar plexus, and then days later, I used again infrared pulsed with Nogier frequencies, depending on the area and problem I treated.
Without nosodes, no way to eliminate borrelia only by light (at least, for us).
With nosodes, it was the ONLY way we found not to relapse from lyme every month or every couple of months. Nothing else worked for us. We kept relapsing or getting sick again with new bites.
what heals, to my understanding are nosodes (very cheap to find, at least here in Germany). One set is to be used for the whole family, and you don't need to buy it again and again, unless they get too much electrosmog on them.
The infrared 880nm is used to enhance the message from nosodes.
Posts: 6199 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
| IP: Logged |
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673
posted
- Not about light, as Rife uses Radio Frequency (even if it has a light, that's not primary to it) . . . still . . . since frequencies / harmonics were mentioned by Dan B, some similar subject matter:
Topic: RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS -
Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged |
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673
posted
- NOSODES
I cannot elaborate on this aspect but didn't want it to go without a little more attention after Brussels' post 2 above.
Consider this space open for further attention to NOSODES if anyone can sum that up . . . or at least having the detail Brussels posted, it's a good foundation stone to remember with this approach with light specifically to address particular infections . . .
for pain management or other body support, light may be enough on its own as it helps reduce inflammation, increase circulation and - the right kind can help with our brain in various ways . . .
(rife does not incorporate nosodes, though). -
Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged |
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480
posted
Hi Keebler, I don't know how to sum up more...
I took Borrelia nosodes orally before I tried most treatments. They helped a bit, but didn't heal me, nor my daughter.
Of course, we tried these nosodes though ingestion (these are homeopathic dilutions of Borrelia), as they were sold over the counter here in Europe, and many homeopathic doctors use these to help lyme patients. This was long ago, around 2005-6 or so?
Later (2008) when I heard about the Bionic treatment (infra red with nosodes), I was skeptic, because I had tried many Borrelia nosodes through ingestion and they didn't heal, just helped a bit.
I could not believe that only attaching these nosodes on my skin, and using infrared all over my body, I would 'take the information' from nosodes and heal better than ingesting them.
Well, they did help this way, much more than ingesting them.
Summing up then:
Infrared alone (with Nogier frequencies) = some improvements in pain, inflammation, healing wounds, but lyme remains there.
Borrelia nosodes alone (ingested) = some improvement on lyme disease symptoms, but no healing.
But borrelia nosodes + infrared = major healing of lyme disease.
I've been using infrared since beginning of 2009, with Nogier frequencies or without it.
I tried loads of treatments with infrared alone and with combined substances (homeopathic substances).
It is more than clear to me that infrared alone is a tool for healing, but it won't heal lyme as fast as if you just add a 15 dollar set of nosodes on your solar plexus and then use infrared on your body openings (like chakras, main acupuncture meridians).
Only then you get a major step up in healing.
Well, it is not any infrared that will work (you know, the lamps for heating chicken eggs won't help). You got to find some with the 880nm length.
Posts: 6199 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
Hi Judie...are you still doing these treatments? Just wondering how things turned out with this.
-------------------- Sick since 10/2001. Tested CDC positive for Lyme 10/2008 through Quest and Igenex. Started treatment 1/2009 with LLMD. Lyme, Erichilosis, Chlamydophila Pneumoniae, Q Fever, Strep Syndrome and probably a few others I am forgetting. Posts: 451 | From Virginia | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673
posted
- Brussels, Thanks for answering with your added information about Nosodes. -
Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
quote:Originally posted by Pam08: Hi Judie...are you still doing these treatments? Just wondering how things turned out with this.
Hi Pam-
These treatment with the light bed are one of THE BEST things I've done so far. General pain relief for SEVERAL hours afterwards and I really feel like it's deeply healing me.
I'm tired right after treatment and need to take it easy after. A day or two later my energy comes back stronger than before.
I just did my 4th treatment.
It's one the few things I've done during this healing process where I immediately know it's helping.
Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012
| IP: Logged |
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480
posted
Laser and infrared are very different. I did both, and I prefer using infrared, much milder, less intense, but better for me.
Good to know you are feeling good with infrared Judie.
I still use infrared too quite often, for a variety of things like colds, burns, after a traumatic event (like a surgery, taking off teeth....), tummy ache, fatigue...
I do feel good while and after using it, that is why I continue, despite not having lyme anymore.
I wonder about those mats (biomat?) or so. Many people love that, and you can do the sessions at home. I think Scott (betterhealthguy website) has one and he likes it a lot.
I think infrared, specially pulsed, recharge the body's energies, or calm me down, it feels like I am 'eating', nourishing the cells, I don't know how to explain it.
Laser never gave me that feeling, it made my head dizzy, the effect of laser is too strong for me and in the end, I don't feel like using laser anymore.
Infrared feels like food, you take it, you feel good, next day you feel like taking more of it (I mean, the pulsed infrared).
and the best way to 'talk' to our cells, is also infrared! combined with low diluted homeopathics. It is really, the most amazing thing that I learned during my whole lyme treatment!
Posts: 6199 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
The laser helps me a lot. The laser makes the mitochondria grow and assists the immune system which is what I'm needing right now.
That's really interesting how all our experiences are so different. Homeopathics have done nothing for me.
Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012
| IP: Logged |
posted
Thanks for the update Judie! Glad to hear this is helping you.
So is it the K laser treatment or the infrared light bed that is helping? Or is it the combination of both that is helping you? I googled both the K laser and the Diomedics Photon Therapy Bed and they do different things so I was wondering which was helping you or if it was the combo that was working for you.
Brussels...I actually have a biomat. Unfortunately I don't notice anything from it but I still use it anyways since I know it is good for the body.
I wish I had noticeable results from the biomat like some people do. Maybe I am one of the people that would do well with the laser treatment...or a different type of infrared therapy. Or maybe it is just me...I don't seem to respond to any type treatments for some reason so not really sure what to make of it all.
-------------------- Sick since 10/2001. Tested CDC positive for Lyme 10/2008 through Quest and Igenex. Started treatment 1/2009 with LLMD. Lyme, Erichilosis, Chlamydophila Pneumoniae, Q Fever, Strep Syndrome and probably a few others I am forgetting. Posts: 451 | From Virginia | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
They do k laser on specific spots and acupuncture points.
There are all kinds of machines there.
The office is always referring to all of it as "laser" treatment and "light" treatment interchangeably. I don't know if they differentiate between infrared and laser when they talk about it. I never heard them say infrared, but it could be.
I don't know which the Pain X 2000 bed is doing. I thought they said is was low-light laser once.
I do wear eye protection.
Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012
| IP: Logged |
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480
posted
Pam, yes, who knows you will do better with laser?
I find it is too strong for me, so I usually do better with milder treatments (all treatments, herbs, homeopathic, light etc). They must be mild, or I just don't feel good.
I do believe some people have less response to homeopathy (someone once told me that if you took too many drugs, or if your body is loaded with toxins, you react less).
I can't tell the reason, but I know some people are more sensitive to homeopathics than others.
Really, homeopathy is my MAIN gun against any problem, infrared will help me with many others, but without homeopathics I feel totally vulnerable in this world, without any effective guns to fight diseases!
--------- Dr. K. loves laser, but I never enjoyed it because I felt drugged with it, most of the times.
I wonder if infrared won't work better as preventative, while laser could work better for some when you are sicker (and therefore need a boosting treatment??).
I wouldn't use laser like I drink my tea (in great amounts, I mean), but I have much less fear from infrared treatments. So maybe later, when you get into remission, probably, your biomat may be useful?? Just a guess....
Posts: 6199 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
| IP: Logged |
posted
Brussels...it is strange that I don't notice more from the biomat because I usually am like you and am really sensitive to all types of treatments. I normally have to start out very slow with things.
Although...I have been wondering recently if the biomat was causing me to get headaches. I was getting a lot of headaches for a while that sometimes seemed to start or be made worse after using my mat.
I haven't been using my mat much the last month and haven't been getting headaches which is what made me wonder if the mat was the culprit. If so then I guess it actually was having an effect on me. Not sure what the headaches would mean though? Could it be some sort of detox reaction or something?
Anyhow...just thought I would mention that. Maybe I actually was noticing something from the biomat.
I would like to try more homeopathics. I have used some of the desert biologicals brand homeopathics but you have to get those through a doctor and I am no longer seeing the doctor that sells those. Not sure where else to get good homeopathics in the US.
-------------------- Sick since 10/2001. Tested CDC positive for Lyme 10/2008 through Quest and Igenex. Started treatment 1/2009 with LLMD. Lyme, Erichilosis, Chlamydophila Pneumoniae, Q Fever, Strep Syndrome and probably a few others I am forgetting. Posts: 451 | From Virginia | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480
posted
I can't say where the headaches come... Are you sensitive to electrosmog?
The only thing I dislike in my PE1 is that it obviously emits electrosmog and I felt it (like dizzy, anxious...). I felt that while I was treating lyme long ago. Now I do not feel it anymore, but I attribute that to the KPU, I'm doing.
but during my bad lyme days, electrosmog was poisonous to me....
Anyway, it could also be detox (detox reactions look exactly like a herx). I know how to distinguish detox/herx from infection symptoms just because I measure cleaning products by testing them energetically, take these products in the exact amount and frequency I need, and if my body feels better after, I assume they were detox /herx, not from infection.
Have you got anyway to test cleaning products / homeoapthics / herbs? If yes, that is what I would do after using the biomat. Just to see if it is a detox reaction or not (worsening of your condition...)
Posts: 6199 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
| IP: Logged |
posted
I don't think that I am sensitive to electrosmog but you never know...especially since I seem to be sensitive to everything else.
The biomat actually does say that it has an EMF blocker built in so hopefully that isn't what the problem is.
I really wish that I did have a way to test these things out. I have tried to do energetic testing on myself a few times before but just couldn't figure it out. I guess you have to practice with it to get the hang of it so maybe I should have kept at it.
-------------------- Sick since 10/2001. Tested CDC positive for Lyme 10/2008 through Quest and Igenex. Started treatment 1/2009 with LLMD. Lyme, Erichilosis, Chlamydophila Pneumoniae, Q Fever, Strep Syndrome and probably a few others I am forgetting. Posts: 451 | From Virginia | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
Judie
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 38323
posted
I think it's very subjective how a person reacts to treatment.
"I have tried to do energetic testing on myself a few times before but just couldn't figure it out."
I never had any luck with energetic testing or homeopathics. I tried 5 experts over the course of 3 years (one was an MD who specialized in homeopathic meds). It was a waste for me and I got the wrong diagnosis which led me to the wrong treatment plan.
A lot of it is trial and error. Everyone is different.
Posts: 2839 | From California | Registered: Jul 2012
| IP: Logged |
The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:
The
Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey 907 Pebble Creek Court,
Pennington,
NJ08534USA http://www.lymenet.org/
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic