LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » Drank alcohol at family dinner...

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Drank alcohol at family dinner...
NEMOM
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31370

Icon 1 posted      Profile for NEMOM     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I never drink anymore but a small glass of wine sounded good

after dinner on Sunday. I bet I literally had a 1/4 cup of wine.

Forgot that I can't drink with Rifampin. I have been nauseous

ever since. My stomach feels horrible. Water just sits on top

of the yucky feeling and makes me feel worse. I am soooo

thirsty. Any thoughts on how to get rid of the nauseous. I

haven't taken my meds since Sunday night because I do not

want to make it worse.

Posts: 131 | From Nebraska | Registered: Apr 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Keebler     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
-
Liver support, minerals, nutrients with the very best healthful foods you can enjoy right now. My guess is that you may not be eating but your body really needs food now.

Eggs.

A potato, a yam, some squash . . . or even just a can of pumpkin is a good place to begin. Just warm it up, add a touch of vanilla and a bit of stevia or tiny, tiny bit of honey. Go light on the cinnamon or nutmeg right now, though as they can be a little intense.

Ginger Tea . . . Green Tea, too. Keep liquids up.

Ginger capsules would be best, more therapeutic in dose.

DGL - a special kind of licorice to let melt in your mouth or chew.

Good luck. Hope you feel better.
-

Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Keebler     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
-
FISH OIL for your brain cells.

Medical Mushrooms can be very nice, too. Adrenal support such as Cordyceps (a mushroom) is excellent for many reasons right now.

For your liver, Milk Thistle or Dandelion are the two most obvious helpers. Others:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=030792;p=0

LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too.
-

Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lookup
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 44574

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lookup     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Homeopathic Arsenicum album might help.

Rub DoTerra Deep Blue Rub onto your abdomen.

Cola syrup in water.

I even found putting magnet on my stomach has helped

(it's called grabbing whatever my hand could grab from my night

stand lol and amazingly it helped)

Posts: 764 | From Northwest | Registered: Sep 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
NEMOM
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31370

Icon 1 posted      Profile for NEMOM     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So far I have nothing on hand that has been recommended. [Frown]

Except the eggs which I have had for breakfast the last two days.

I'd love some Peppermint Tea but that would require a drive all the way across town.

Posts: 131 | From Nebraska | Registered: Apr 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymetoo
Moderator
Member # 743

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymetoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Vitamin C??

--------------------
--Lymetutu--
Opinions, not medical advice!

Posts: 96222 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
wrotek
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 5354

Icon 1 posted      Profile for wrotek     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Alcohol causes blood sludge, it was described by Melvin H. Knisely . Folks with Lyme have already blood sludge
Posts: 636 | From Wroclaw, Poland | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Razzle
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 30398

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Razzle     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Alcohol also depletes Vitamin B1, and shuts down Phase 2 liver detox. This is how chronic alcoholism causes cirrhosis.

Methylation and liver function is already impaired with Lyme, so why add more to this?

I wouldn't...

--------------------
-Razzle
Lyme IgM IGeneX Pos. 18+++, 23-25+, 30++, 31+, 34++, 39 IND, 83-93 IND; IgG IGeneX Neg. 30+, 39 IND; Mayo/CDC Pos. IgM 23+, 39+; IgG Mayo/CDC Neg. band 41+; Bart. (clinical dx; Fry Labs neg. for all coinfections), sx >30 yrs.

Posts: 4166 | From WA | Registered: Feb 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Keebler     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
-
Add to all this, the rise and then drop in blood sugar. Lyme makes glucose management even harder so we have to be more careful.

By now, hope you are back to your normal. Still, as ideas come to mind, this is an important thread so others will have this detail.
-

Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
NEMOM
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 31370

Icon 1 posted      Profile for NEMOM     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I felt better after about three days. I will definitely pass on the wine at the family Christmas dinner!
Posts: 131 | From Nebraska | Registered: Apr 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymetoo
Moderator
Member # 743

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymetoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Found this info on alcohol intolerance .. Decided to add it here:

http://davidjernigan.blogspot.com/2015/09/are-you-sick-or-hungover-alcohol.html

--------------------
--Lymetutu--
Opinions, not medical advice!

Posts: 96222 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ukcarry
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 18147

Icon 1 posted      Profile for ukcarry     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Interesting piece from Dr J....thanks, Lymetoo.
Posts: 1647 | From UK | Registered: Nov 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Marnie
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 773

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Marnie     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Alcohol does a number on an enzyme called DAO = the copper dependent enzyme that helps break down histamine in FOODS. A LOT of foods are high in histamine.

During pregnancy, to protect a fetus from excessive levels of histamine, mom's DAO levels SOAR...I repeat...

SOAR.

Women also have less of the liver enzyme that breaks down alcohol (dehydrogenase) which is why men can tolerate drinking more alcohol than can women...generally speaking.

To prevent a hangover...Chinese researchers found SPRITE works - ONLY SPRITE BUT not "sugar free" Sprite. I don't know why/how the lemon-lime component might be key.

Rx: Zofran - sublingual - helps with nausea (serotonin - GI release of - is too high), but good old Cola syrup can help also (old remedy -Vermont country store catalog).

Posts: 9424 | From Sunshine State | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymetoo
Moderator
Member # 743

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymetoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Dr J has a few suggestions in his article above.

--------------------
--Lymetutu--
Opinions, not medical advice!

Posts: 96222 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Marnie
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 773

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Marnie     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Dr. J's comment about acetaldehyde - that's where Sprite comes into play:

http://phys.org/news/2013-10-chinese-team-sprite-hangover.html

ADH works = alcohol to acetaldehyde...ALDH (next enzyme) doesn't work - is supposed to break it down further into acetate.

I'd love to know (chemically) HOW...how *lemon-lime* -> more ALDH.

"What I found was that when the Alcohol Dehydrogenase and Aldehyde Dehydrogenase enzyme imbalances were corrected, as well as the Heme pathway in the body, which is responsible for making Cytochrome P450, another substance involved in completely metabolizing and detoxifying alcohol, that the symptoms and inability to drink normal amounts of alcohol, or their ability to use alcohol-based remedies, often improved dramatically."

http://davidjernigan.blogspot.com/

But Bb looks to upregulate the release of histamine...

"Notably, histamine interacts with CYP450 and it has been demonstrated
that

CYP2E1 and CYP3A were upregulated

in histidine de-carboxylase (HDC)-deficient mice."

(HDC is *increased* in *some* Mg deficient tissues.)

But...


***moderate alcohol consumption may cause intestinal CYP3A induction.***

Lymphocyte CYP2E1 and CYP3A4 mRNA levels did not correlate with CYP2E1 and CYP3A activities.


PMID: 15841467

So...both alcohol AND histamine can *upregulate CYP3A* - esp. if HDC is deficient.

CYP3A....These genes encode monooxygenases which catalyze many reactions involved in drug metabolism and

***synthesis of cholesterol, steroids and other lipids.***

Wikipedia.

High histamine "profile" (undermethylated) = high(er) cholesterol levels?


In conclusion, histamine suppresses hepatic LDL receptor expression via a non-H1 receptor-mediated pathway, and

***histamine reduces plasma HDL cholesterol via an H1 receptor-mediated pathway.***


PMID: 9112380

Claritin is a H1R antagonist...

???

Posts: 9424 | From Sunshine State | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code� is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.