Bugg
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Hello Everyone and Happy Thanksgiving-
I wanted to post something that I hope will be helpful to some of you. Please keep in mind that long term abx can potentially cause issues with your bone health. There are a number of studies which show that long term abx can interfere with Vitamin K (which you need to make bone) and Rifampin can interfere with calcium absorption.
I had HORRIBLE all-over aching after I finished long-term abx and had some teeth chip in the back of my mouth. I have been trying to take the rda of calcium and high doses of Vitamin D to repair what I believe is damage to my bones (that I don't believe shows up on xrays/MRIs etc). Anyway, it has been EXTREMELY PAINFUL TAKING THE VITAMIN D. My bones ache so badly that I've wanted to give up on it. It's HORRIBLE. HOWEVER, after each round I feel better than I have in YEARS. I've read that it can take MANY MANY months to feel better from severe Vitamin D deficiency and that many people who were severely deficient experience intense pain for months during recovery.
As an fyi, this is the type of pain that I had for years after treatment that the Vitamin D and calcium have helped: aching thighs that I need to rub; legs ache when standing in one place; I feel like I need to do a runner's stretch; the spine right between my shoulder blades feels so tight/achy.
Anyway, I hope this helps someone.
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Keebler
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- Indeed, this kind of information and thought is important.
It's good to know beforehand what kinds of support methods can help prevent the most common issues.
Building on Bugg's important thoughts above . . .
Vitamin D is a major area to consider for many reasons. And MAGNESIUM has to be adequate for it be absorbed into the body correctly. Many with lyme are very low in magnesium, lyme causes depletion.
If one is low in magnesium: Taking calcium may have little effect as Magnesium is the top player first to help both Vitamin D and calcium get in the door.
Also being sure PROBIOTICS and gut issues are well managed is major for nutrient absorption.
Bone damage may not necessary be from treatment, or rather from "just" treatment, though. And, as Bugg points out, some abx can decrease calcium absorption -- so can other pharmaceuticals and OTC products.
Many go a long time before finally getting a correct diagnosis of lyme. By then, lyme may well have caused or set up the bone damage.
Untreated, or undertreated lyme can destroy our bones (and lives) in major ways (and any other tissue, organ or system it "chooses" so treatment is still vital -- and there are some other ways to approach that but with any treatment method - any and every treatment method -- support methods are also essential).
For those with access to a LL ND, such expertise can be extremely valuable. And, for those who do not have a LL ND on board, there is much detail below.
Many LLMDs are also informed about support methods. Liver / Kidney support is the foundation but there are other areas that require our attention as well.
LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too.
When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods, because lyme is so very complex & unique, as are possible coinfections:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )
so they really know all they can about the science of lyme . . . how lyme (& other TBD) act and what we can do about that in various ways.
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
Herbal Safety considerations & reference books; etc.
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;
knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.
You can compare and contrast many approaches with links to articles, books, methods . . .
BODY WORK methods / links (and why anyone who works on your spine MUST be LL to the degree they at least know to never suddenly twist neck or spine. Never. Ever. And that we should never be advised to do neck / head / shoulder stands.) -
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