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I HOPE SO!!!!!
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I also found this study on hamsters (see below), which came to the opposite conclusion, so it's a confusing picture.
[Diminution of antifungal activity of fluconazole associated with ibuprofen and piroxicam in experimental histoplasmosis of hamsters (Mesocricetus auratus)]
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- Ibuprofen is very hard on the kidneys. Best to avoid it as much as possible. -
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- Ibuprofen constricts blood flow. This can pose problems in various ways for the kidneys and other organs, as well as contribute to hearing damage.
National Kidney & Urulogic Diseases Information Clearinghouse (NKUDIC)
Analgesic Nephropathy (Painkillers and the Kidneys)
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. . . Analgesic use has been associated with two different forms of kidney damage: acute renal failure and a type of chronic kidney disease called analgesic nephropathy. . . .
. . . Some patient case reports have attributed incidents of sudden-onset acute kidney failure to the use of over-the-counter painkillers, including aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen sodium. . . .
. . . A second form of kidney damage, called analgesic nephropathy, can result from taking painkillers every day for several years. . . . .
. . . Ibuprofen may also increase the risk of chronic kidney damage, . . .
The popular pain reliever ibuprofen can cause kidney failure in people with mild kidney disease, according to a new study.
A three-year study on the drug was reported today in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine. . . .
. . . gave participants above-normal doses of 800 milligrams of ibuprofen three times a day - the equivalent of 12 ibuprofen tablets - for up to 11 days.
After eight days, three women developed kidney failure, which reversed when ibuprofen was discontinued. The remaining nine women, who received ibuprofen for 11 days, showed changes in kidney function but did not develop kidney failure.
After recovering, the three women were given 400 milligrams of ibuprofen three times a day, equivalent to normal doses of the drug.
Two of the three again developed kidney failure but recovered when the ibuprofen was stopped.
Ibuprofen relieves pain by interfering with the body's production of prostaglandin, a substance involved in inflammation. But at the same time, the drug constricts blood flow.
Normally, the change poses little risk if used for a short period.
But for those whose blood flow to the kidneys is already reduced by kidney, heart or liver damage, flu, or aging, ibuprofen could lead to acute kidney failure. . . .
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All drugs have potential adverse effects, including all of the antifungal drugs, all antibiotics, and every type of NSAID.
If a patient has a fungal infection, letting it go untreated also has potential consequences, however.
And the options for treating fungal infections are far more limited than for bacterial infections.
Here's where a doctor has to weigh the potential risks against the potential benefits of any treatment decision.
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- NSAIDs are not a good idea to take for many reasons.
Why risk heart damage, having to go on dialysis due to kidney failure - or deafness - to take ibuprofen for candida when there ARE safer options?
Some of the damage from ibuprofen can happen down the road, too. It's not always immediate but can be.
As a rule, it's never a good idea to take anything that causes blood vessel constriction - body wide as does ibuprofen.
This is not a potential side effect (but a dangerous method of action). It always happens with ibuprofen. It's what it does. And it's not good for anyone.
There are dozens of safer ways to approach fungal infections. Generally, whatever approach, it will take months, or on-going attention. So, especially then, ibuprofen would bring profound risks.
In those who are ill, the liver & kidneys are already strained. Adding blood vessel constriction to that can be a dangerous recipe. .
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- One particular brand of Olive leaf extract cured decades' old candida infection for me (along with a wise diet of only whole foods no gluten or dairy, yet one that could include low glycemic berries).
After decades of various antibiotics for all manner of respiratory infections having set me up with systemic candida, off of abx for a few years, I was able to clear candida with diet and various other herbal formulas & rounded out with OLE toward the time I saw success - finally.
(But some methods were way too harsh such as caprylic acid and even oregano oil UNLESS in a GEL CAP but that was never as effective as OLE for me. I will never, ever take caprylic acid again. What torture for me in various ways -- just in case others might be having that same reaction. PROBIOTICS were important but not enough, alone, in my case).
Yet, at a later time, I also took OLE at the same time as a 2-month course of doxycycline - so I know it really works to prevent candida, too. It was a dream come true for me.
The key, I believe, was starting the OLE a few days PRIOR to starting the new antibiotic.
OLE is just one of dozens of approaches of which naturopathic doctors are aware.
OLE caused me no side effects at all, only helped improve several other symptoms at the same time it clobbered candida.
Some brands of OLE may not have the best results (Seagate has a particularly excellent extraction method and quality control), however, and the dose needs to be started slowly - otherwise there can be a die-off.
Die-off is not to be confused with side-effects, however, and can be managed by dose modulation.
If even the best quality OLE is not a good match for a particular person, though, as individual response can vary, there are still dozens of other options. Dozens. The "How to Find a LL ND" thread here leads to other avenues.
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- Another good option for candida management
(although I have no personal experience as all candida issues were solved for me before I started Berberine - I find it helps me in many ways - and is absolutely remarkable as pain relief as it lessens inflammation in my case - but the literature on it reads as promising as an anti-fungal, too).
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- I've said nothing in support of ibuprofen. And I question that article above. There are so many serious consequences with ibuprofen that are not considered there.
Came back to add this about tinnitus. So many with lyme have tinnitus & vertigo. Ibuprofen is very ototoxic. So adding that to the mix can cause more torture and risks damage.
by Neil Bauman, Ph.D. - December 10, 2008 Excerpt:
. . . Sometimes all it takes is to stop taking an ototoxic medication and your ears return to normal.
Ibuprofen (Advil) is one such drug. In some people, Ibuprofen can cause temporary hearing loss and other ear problems that return to normal when they stop taking this drug. You appear to be one of them.
However, don’t bet the farm that the ototoxic side effects will always be temporary. I have heard from people who took Ibuprofen and have had tinnitus ever since as a result. Thus you still want to be careful with this drug.
In addition to hearing loss Ibuprofen (Advil) can cause tinnitus, dizziness, nystagmus and vertigo. A lot of people don’t realize that Ibuprofen is quite so ototoxic. . . . -
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I cant walk without ibuprofen. I have cut it in half by using fish oil and curcumin but have not figured out how to stop it. I really want to. It gives me reflux so i need reflux meds and i know they are responsible for me haing more bugs...but it is a big change to be "in and out of wc, and walker and canes" to being totally wc bound. I live alone. My house is not wc friendly. 1200 mg a day and i can walk a lot of the time. Without it by the third day i really cant take one step without support
Ive been taking it about 30 yrs. Ive never had a bad kidney or liver test. Recently there seems to be positive research coming out
If i lost my legs i guess id have to be wc bound but if two pills a day can keep me out of wc im.gonna go with that for now
I keep looking for more anti inflam supps too
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All our bodies are different
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The conclusions & findings I posted are those of the authors who performed the studies, not my own. Some had contradictory findings so it doesn't seem there is a clear answer regarding ibuprofen.
Candida infections run the gamut from minor & localized to fungemia with invasive candidiasis and multi-organ involvement.
Some treatment approaches may be well-suited to overgrowths which are primarily local to the vagina, mouth, or GI tract; others may be required for fungemia & more serious/invasive disease with organ involvement, where the treating agent needs to attain therapeutic levels throughout the body. And often a patient may have other infections concurrently which can influence the choice of treatments.
So I don't think it's an either/or scenario here. All possible therapies for candida may be useful for certain infections, depending on the patient's medical picture.
As for adverse effects of ibuprofen, that is true of every NSAID and every single antimicrobial drug out there (and some herbs too). If you look at some of the adverse effects of antifungal drugs like Amphotericin B or voriconazole, for example, then the risk profile of ibuprofen starts to seem more favorable.
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