Jamers
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Hi everyone, I have not been on here in quite some time. I have been off antibiotics for over 2 years. I'd say I got to about 80% then stopped due to my LLLMD not really helping me anymore. Stopping antibiotics and working on yeast has been very helpful. Yeast is still an ongoing issue for me but is getting less and less.
I have been holding steady but still had remaining issues like fatigue, inner ear dizziness and slightly elevated heart rate sometimes. Nothing excessive like before but still causing me to not feel 100%. I also had a return of skin symptoms like blotchiness, increased moles/freckles, red dots, and striations.
I decided to start Samento, Cumanda, and Enula. I can take the full does of Samento without much herx but Enula at 10 drops increases my fatigue A LOT! The "I don't want to move from bed" fatigue. I think this stuff is working but am a little worried that I should be taking it with something else for resistance. Artemisia Annua is on my list but I'm not quite sure how to take it. I hear it doesn't need to be pulsed like Artemisinin does. Any ideas, or thoughts on Enula combinations?
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ukcarry
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Hi Jamers,
You could combine it with Houttuhnia, as per Cowden.
Alternatively, Sida acuta or CSA tincture from Woodland Essence may help you.
Enula did not provoke a big reaction from me, so can't speak from experience. Good luck.
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Jamers
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Hi ukcarry. Thanks for the reply. I am self treating and I just looked at the protocol online and see he does have it being taken with Houttuynia. I thought Houttuynia was for Bartonella?
I guess I'm confused on the protocol itself because it only has the patient on Enula for two weeks then 4 weeks off using the other herbs. That doesn't seem like it would be effective taken in that way for Babesia. Do you know if I can just take Enula repeatedly for Babesia without following the protocol?
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ukcarry
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Do yoy know which bacterial infections you have, Jamers? Is it ONLY babesia ( am not trying to trivialise it!)? I tend to believe that most people have a complex mix of infections.
Part of the idea of the two week rotations on Cowden is to be able to use a herb over a long period of time potentially, whilst keeping the bugs on their toes so that they don't develop resisitance to that herb.
So if you want to try Enula for an extended period, you could still take regular breaks and either try, for example, the sida acuta or CSA tincture for a few days In between.
Jamers, have you looked at the Lyme Herbals Facebook group? There are usually a lot of people on there who do Cowden. It might be worth your looking there too.
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Jamers
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Thank you so much. I was diagnosed and received treatment for Babesia Duncani, Bartonella and Borrelia. I don't see an LLMD anymore but wanted to try and get rid of some remaining symptoms. So, I'm not really sure what I have left for infections.
I do understand why Cowden would rotate in that way but since I'm only focusing on Babesia, I thought it would be irrelevant to take the other herbs for 4 weeks and the Enula for only two. I will check out the lyme herbals facebook group for sure. Thanks for your response and the advice!
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Jamers
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Upped my Enula and now having head pressure, and heavy feeling in body. This is definitely reminiscent of treating Babesia. I hope this stuff gets rid of what's left because I wasn't having these symptoms until I started it.
I noticed after searching that some people take Enula with Samento and Cumanda/Banderol as a limited protocol versus taking the whole shebang. Anyone done this?
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Brussels
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Artemisia annua: I took it during babesia treatment, just through decoctions. But if you are already herxing too much, I wouldn't recommend adding Art. annua.
For my babesia, I also took cardamon (just white cardamon seeds in powder or just chewed some seeds daily), and sometimes, the noni tincture.
That was before Buhner talked about cryptolepsis...
I do trust cardamon as a babesia treatment. Not solo, of course, but it always helped me. I even think it helps with borrelia cysts, but that is just me thinking that. I just know of one naturopath using that, after I suggested that, and she says it does test good for most of her lyme patients!!
Since my lyme is gone, I've been using cardamon DAILY in food or tea or coffee. I got so used to it, and it somehow helps my body cleaning (less fog). It is also a warm plant (in Chinese 'terms'), so good in winter.
you get it in Indian shops, as it is used in curries. ----
As for mixes of herbs, some do not mix well. Some kill too much, then you'd rather go slow.
I don't know about shebang.
I also took hottunya and forsythia LONG ago. I am probably the first to have used these herbs in lymenet, as no one was talking about these plants long ago. I'm not sure I used them for babesia or for bartonella.
I only based my treatment with muscle tests.
They tested good, so I did my own teas or decoctions back then.
I hope you find your way through cowden and chinese herbs. If you find a way to energy test them, it usually helped me a lot. Babesia treatment is pretty hard to tune.
Good luck!
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Jamers
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Hi Brussels. Thanks so much for your advice. I think that Artemisia annua is on the list next since you seemed to have good results. I've heard good things about it. Enula is very strong for me. I just added Banderol and that gave me a lot of shortness of breath. That was interesting.
Cardamon sounds very interesting as a babesia treatment. Could you tell me how you dose both Artemisia annua and Cardamon? Starting doses and dose to work up to?
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I've found cryptolepis, brucea javonica, and wormwood to be the best herbs for my b. duncani. The first two can be dosed as Buhner recommends, and the wormwood can be taken in a standard anti-parasitic dose.
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Jamers
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Thank you geronimog for the info and doses! I've only taken wormwood and not the others. I will add them to my possibilities.
I'm herxing pretty crazy on the enula and banderol. Ear problems, jaw pain, and fatigue have all increased. I hope this leads to noticeable improvement.
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