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gigimac
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I thought this was an interesting article. Phages used to kill this womans strains of mrsa that were killing her. would it work for lyme?

http://www.prevention.com/health/health-concerns/cure-antibiotic-resistance

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Interesting -- It seems like a worthwhile method to try if you have no other options like the lady in this article and if antibiotics no longer work for you and you are given a death sentence.

There is a holistic place in Reno, Nevada that uses this phages method for:

chronic/non-healing wounds
urinary tract infections
skin infections
dysbiosis and intestinal infections

I tried to find if there was any treatment using phages on lyme disease but this article said "no not yet".
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Can phage therapy work on killing Borrelia burgdorferi?

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So far I have not seen any phage therapy research for Borrelia.

In terms of phage therapy for Lyme disease itself, though - the best answer I can give at this writing is a theoretical maybe someday.

This is based on the idea that there is a phage for every bacteria out there if we were only to look for it and find it.

It's also based on the idea that we have the technology available to potentially modify Lyme disease's known phages in order to change its behavior - or perhaps create a delivery system which could lyse Borrelia in a manner that phage does.

But so far - unlike Staphloccocus and other bacteria - few phages which attack and kill Borrelia have been documented.

Publications on virulent phages of Borrelia are sparse, and there is only a little more documentation on phages in spirochetes as a whole.

Here's a link to the whole article -- it is fairly long:

http://campother.blogspot.ca/2011/04/phage-therapy-and-borrelia-burgdorferi.html

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Designs For Health have a probiotic with 4 lytic phages designed to reduce specific 'bad' bacteria, whilst also boosting certain good strains: Probiophage DF .

Has anyone tried it?

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Hey, I contacted the lady who did this treatment, and she said she had lyme as well as mrsa and was cured of both, but she went to Georgia, Russia to do it... She said she would advise trying it...

I asked her if she knew of anyone else with lyme who tried this with success and she hasn't replied yet.

I don't even know if Phage centers would take a Lyme only patient? Sounds so promising though!!

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That's interesting, Foxyloxy. Phages are supposed to have a narrow focus in contrast to the broad-spectrum action of antibiotics, so are aimed at specific bacteria. I wonder if that lady had coinfections as well as borrelia.

I was thinking of trying Designs For Health's product Probiophage DF that combines five strains of probiotic with some phages, i think it targets E. Coli for one.

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Looking, there is research in progress at the moment in UK on phage therapy for borrelia apparently:

http://www.lymediseaseaction.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Jinyu-Shan-LDA-2015.pdf

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I wrote to the center in Georgia and they said they would take me on as a patient to check if I had any other infections. They said other infections can act like Lyme...
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That was very enterprising of you, Foxy loxy: is that testingenormously expensive? Are you going to do it, do you think?
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ukcarry, I asked them how much this would be and they never wrote back. I asked my Dr. about it yesterday, and he thought it wouldn't hurt, but he said he didn't think he would do it.

I am still keeping it in mind but don't have current plans to act on it.

I have been through so many antibiotics for five years without much help, so I am looking "outside the box!" maybe I do have a weird infection...

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Saw a talk from hansa center saying they had good success with phages for lyme , called them assassins..,foxy have you treated proto or used anti parasites?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzX3h67RWTI

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Thanks for that info bluelyme!! [Smile] Does the hansa center have an actual phage for lyme?

I didn't think they did it here in the states!

I tried ivermectin for a while but it did ZILCH.
I also tried Alinia for a good long while.

I tried just about everything in just about every combo...including I.V. I am really becoming antibiotic exhausted, but my symptoms do seem to point to infection as my lymph glands are swollen...

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