steve1906
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. My Daughter-in-law went to the ER last night, it appears to be a spider bit. After doing some research I agree with them.
It’s a raised round circle with a hole in the middle and redness all around it – looks infected.
They cleaned it up and I think they drained it.
They gave Amoxicillin and told her to watch for any changes, and follow-up with her Doc.
Symptoms right now> Chills – Weakness – body achy. These seem to be common symptoms with spider bites.
I haven’t done much research on spiders so I’d appreciate any opinions.
Got these of the internet:
Thanks, Steve
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- Brown Recluse ?
Google: "necrotizing spider bite"
Ohhhh, poor Dear. -
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- I would use an Allicin cream on it, topically to help guard against MSRA developing, etc. Necrotizing skin is more subcepticle (no idea how to spell that - every variation seems wrong and just too tired to look it up). -
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steve1906
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Thanks, I agree with you about being a (Brown Recluse).
She’s from Boston, MA, and hasn't been traveling for months.
I've been reading things like this>
Brown recluse spiders are native to the Midwestern and Southeastern states. Documented populations of brown recluse spiders outside these areas are extremely rare.
In recent years controversy has arisen over the appearance of brown recluse spiders in California and Florida.
At this time most experts agree that the brown recluse is not endemic to these areas.
With increasing travel, individual spiders and spider bites can be found in areas where the spider is not endemic, and health care practitioners should consider this when treating suspected bites.
•Fewer than 10 individual spiders have ever been collected outside of these native states. Most false sightings are due to confusion with one of the 13 other species found in the same family.
•The most common non-brown recluse spiders are the desert recluse found in Texas, Arizona, and California, and the Arizona recluse
Steve
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The wound fits the picture for the homeopathic
remedy Mercurius cor or Mercurius vivus. Potency
30c three times a day. Space out doses with
improvement.
My daughter had an infection just like that in
the big power outage of the northeast USA and we
were on our own to sort out this infection she
got that had quickly gone to cellulitis and a
crater of pus that was growing pretty rapidly and
deeply. First, homeopathic Belladonna 30c took
down the redness that had gone from her ankle to
her knee. Then, 30 minutes later I gave Mercurius
and it turned the case towards improvement
within hours. She felt better or a shift towards
improvement within 30 minutes of the Belladonna
and went to sleep (healing sleep- a good thing)
That is my experience. I am not a doctor and this
is for informational purposes only.
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Keebler
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- lookup,
great suggestions.
back to:
The audacity of some doctors / writers on this issue just irks me.
If something looks like the bite of a particular insect or spider I would sure hope no doctor I'd see would say "oh, we don't have those around here" because "never say never" and doctors should not be making assumptions or dismissing possibilities.
We've had this happen too often with ticks / lyme to fall for that ole song and dance.
And, even if it is not quite the same kind of bite, what can be learned from the appearance, the similarities, etc. that might help in this case? What WOULD cover all the bases?
Hope the Rx prescribed will cover all the bases. Still, allicin cream and the homeopathic suggestions are excellent to consider, too.
It's not just travel of people but transportation of goods that matters, too. Any critter can travel across the miles quite easily.
All it takes is for a spider to hide in a piece of clothing bought from eBay and shipped to a state that is "not endemic" -- but too few medical people would never think of that possibility.
Folks traveling through make stop-overs and some critter that just might happen to be hitchhiking with them may decide not to continue the ride with them and set up home in a new place.
Brown recluse spiders love to hide in clothing. I check the inside of all long sleeve shirt arms or coats before I put my hand into it. But I used to live in Southern Illinois where they are well at home. Used to see those "violin heads" in the bathtub first thing in the mornings, too.
I'm sure someone in either Oregon or California identified a Brown Recluse just last year. There is no such thing as any spider not being able to "be" in a particular place even if it's not their typical pattern.
Climate change also means that some critters that previously might not have preferred a certain state or region may enjoy it better now, too.
Anytime anything comes into my home, I'm sure to open it up near the door, not carry anything in until it's had the "once over" and I'm sure no hitchhikers got a free ride. I do order clothes from eBay and ETSY and have never had a problem. Still, it's possible.
In my hometown in S. Ill., I recall a live Tarantula being in a (Kroger?) store's box of bananas from the wholesale market in the mid-60's. Really. One of their daughters was in my class. -
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- As to saying any creature or critter is just this or does just that. Just the other day we learned that what we thought we knew about "all" fish is wrong. Spiders likely also have things we have yet to learn.
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I hope it's not a brown recluse bite.. I'm sure you've seen the pictures of how that can turn out. Really scary stuff!!
I hope she will try every avenue so she can get well soon.
We have them really bad here in MO, but I've actually never seen one that I knew for SURE was a brown recluse.
We had a bunch of them in our choir closet at church!! (they sprayed for them) Believe me, we were shaking out those robes each Sunday!! HAHA! Can you imagine the singing that would have taken place if one of us had been bitten during church?
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I workedfor a guy who travelled to dc and got bit there. on his foot. by the time he gotback it was bad. it was recluse spider. he ended up being hospitalized and lostpart of his foot.
they're nothing to mess with.
hope she'll be better soon.
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Brown recluses are in MA. I've seen them in our yard, basement, etc.
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I had some looked like that about 2 years ago and also with a rash that looked like shingles across my middle..... this was right before my neuro attack and lyme dx, so not sure what it was for me, but I remember thinking it coul dhave been brown recluse, but like you thought huh, 'cuase I live in PA and there supposedly aren't any here.
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quote:Originally posted by steve1906: Thanks, I agree with you about being a (Brown Recluse).
She’s from Boston, MA, and hasn't been traveling for months.
My Lyme story began with a misdiagnosed spider bite. I was told it was a Brown Recluse Bite, even though at the time I was working in CT. This is a really common error by ER docs (I had gone to urgent care). Could your daughter in law be suffering a recluse bite? Its possible. Is it likely? No, its not very likely.
To be bitten by ANY kid of spider is rarer than people imagine. This is because, well, they don't feed on humans and avoid us. It is possible to scare a spider and get bitten, say if you reached into a nook it was hiding in or it was in your shoe, or you rolled over on top of it while sleeping (but it probably can't bite through your clothes)
Unless you SAW the spider that bite you, it is very likely not a bite. It is more likely: biting fleas, bedbugs, allergies, kissing bugs or other arthropods, or more commonly, a bacterial skin infection.
For me, it was lyme. The necrotic lesion in the center threw off the doc, but that was likely an allergic reaction to the bite itself, which may have gotten infected.
These two links go into a bit more how easy it is to misidentify a brown recluse:
Brown Recluse spiders are NOT native to Massachusetts. It is theoretically possible that with air travel, one hitched a ride. But I do not think there are any known established populations anywhere in New England. Who knows, with climate change maybe they will extend their range.
It is sad, but really common for doctors to diagnose a spider bite with NO evidence. Sometimes, it can be a bacterial skin infection, most notably, MRSA. You can google it, and there are some pictures here:
I never thought my bite could be lyme, even though it was a distinct bulls eye, because a doctor told me it wasn't AND my initial antibody test was negative. Ive heard this story so many times from people. They get some type of rash or bite, and are told well its not lyme because the test is negative.
Make sure your daughter in law in the very least gets a lyme test in 4-6 weeks when the chance to pick up a potential positive is more likely, if by chance, she got bitten by some type of tick.
Necrotic (dead tissue) ulcers can form in some tick bites. Specific tick species can also cause characteristic lesions such as bruising (purpura), urticaria, and ulceration.
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Some people, including Dr. K, and including myself,think that other biting insects and arthropods can carry Lyme and other pathogens. They have foud pathogens in othe insects or arthropods. Why would they be immune?
I've had a number of "spider bites", both as a child, and as adult. I doubt that that was what they were. Or at least there are a lot of other possibilities, esp ticks that we didn't see.
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I was bit by what we thought were spiders in 1999. That's when it all began. No one thought to even test me for Lyme until 2 years ago. Please have your daughter in law get tested for Lyme.
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I was bit by what we thought were spiders in 1999. That's when it all began. No one thought to even test me for Lyme until 2 years ago. Please have your daughter in law get tested for Lyme.
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Andromeda, your story mirrors mine. In 1981 or '82, I had a bull's eye rash -- the middle was raised, flat on top...sort of a plateau about 2-2 1/2" across, and hot to the touch. In the center of that was what looked like a bite mark.
I went to the ER, where the doc dx a brown recluse bite. I live in WA and I don't think anyone had even heard of Lyme here then. The doc said that "supposedly" b. recluse doesn't live here, but she insisted they did.
Thing is, from what I've heard recluse bites cause some tissue death even with abx, and even though she gave me abx I threw them away after the first one, as it drugged me and I hated that feeling. I know, dumb, but what can I say, I was 19 and thought I knew best! lol
I remember not feeling so good for few days, but mostly I think it was because my whole leg, where the bite was, hurt like hell. I don't remember having health issues until the following year, when I started having bladder issues, and being very tired and sluggish, but I thought that was because by that time, I was pregnant.
But then again, I was only 20! Probably shouldn't have been that tired, that young. Then the next year, postpartum depression. And then....and then..... yeah, you know the rest, cause we've all been there.
Over the years the same bite/rash reappeared twice, last time being '04, I think. I don't know if I got bitten twice more or if the rash simply appeared 2 more times, as I've read it can do. I was finally dx'd last month.
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