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So I had not previously regularly been taking magnesium and my doctor wants me to take some now. I have tried 2 others and could not handle them due to stomach pain, nausea and weirdly an increase in air hunger.
Now I'm using Mag-Tab and each day (5 days now) I have taken two pills I get Charlie horse cramps in my calves at night. I was not previously experiencing these cramps. I also am more fatigued and achey in general.
Does anybody know why this would be happening? I have read so much about magnesium supposed to help muscle pain and cramps that this is confusing to me.
I have yet to find a magnesium that hasn't given me some sort of symptoms. Maybe I need more calcium too? Also I want to note that I will ask my doctor, I just would like any input from anyone who might have this happen.
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EllieD, the above is a link to a piece on Dr Carolyn Dean's site about why occasionally magnesium may appear to make matters worse.
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I haven't had this happen but have read that, if you take addl. magnesium, you should take addl. calcium too.
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Don't the Mag Tabs contain CALCIUM? Calcium depletes magnesium.
You can also run into trouble if you don't balance the other minerals. I get great mileage out of ReMag and ReMyte by Dr Carolyn Dean who is referenced above.
Have you tried magnesium glycinate or citrate? Glycinate is very unlikely to upset your stomach.
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Yes I tried glycinate and it made me unable to eat due to nausea. I've tried it a for a week on three different times and have had the same response each time. I've also tried remag and have had the same reaction where I get air hunger and more pain. I told my doctor and he didn't have any idea why that would happen and told me to try another type-hence the mag tab. I read the link about when magnesium makes you feel worse and some of it made sense but now I don't know if I should add more, back off or add electrolytes etc.
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i have the same problems with mag. Doesnt matter what type i take. Remag, mag tab, citrate, malate, all give me the same reaction. More nausea, restlessness, fatigue, muscle cramps, heart palps etc.
I get a pretty similar reaction from glutathione, so i suspect detoxification is the culprit here.
Im dealing with severe dysbiosis, and i know that any kind of toxin removal from liver in to the intestines will cause an explosion of bad bacteria growth in the gut. Thats also what the writer of the GAPS diet book states in her book.
Now in theory this should be a temporary problem; as the body gets rid of more toxins, there will be less detoxification issues. But i find it works somewhat counterproductive with dysbiosis. The shift to more bad gut flora causes even more toxins to reenter the system. This is where the increased symptoms come from. So is the detoxification from magnesium helping, or just making things worse?
Ive stopped taking magnesium (my rbc levels were fine anyway) and addressing dysbiosis first.
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S13 thats interesting! What are you doing to address that? Did you do a specific test to discover that?
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: What's strange is that I have a really messed up gut but I have no problem with the magnesium. I end up in lots of pain if I don't take it.
Dysbiosis can go in many different ways. It all depends on the hundreds of types of bad and good bacteria in the gut, their presence (or lack of them) their numbers, and their relation to other bacteria, yeasts and protozoa, etc. So dysbiosis can go in different ways for different people. A shift in flora composition can make some symptoms worse, and yet others better.
Imo if you react heavily to prebiotic fiber then you have problems with bacterial dysbiosis. I wasnt event aware of this problem when i was still taking abx. Thats because abx will reduce the activity of the bad bugs, so it will make you feel a little bit better, and you dont really react to the prebiotic fiber. But over time abx will make dysbiosis worse as you lose more and more flora diversity.
Im now completely off abx and stuck on the GAPS introduction diet, and considering a fecal transplant. Just eating lots of probiotics and fermented foods cannot shift flora if you cant feed the good bugs with prebiotics. And that i just cannot do since prebiotics will make a lot of symptoms so much worse.
There are specific microbiome tests you can do to get a general idea of the composition of some of the beneficial bacteria in your gut. But these tests are very limited and dont really show the impact of all the potential bad bacteria.
One of the things ive also had problems with is heavy metal detox with Metalsweep. Metalsweep is a silica based product that is not absorbed by the intestines. So it just pulls and binds metals in the intestine and transports it out. When it encounters the gut flora of the large intestine it again causes a large shift in gut flora composition. And that again leads to a shift or flare up in symptoms.
I just dont do well with any kind of detox that pushes junk through the intestines. So ive just accepted that i need to address the dysbiosis first and handle the detoxification later (should it still be required at that point). And again, fixing dysbiosis is not as simple as popping a probiotic pill once or twice every day as some people seem to think.
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