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I use lower priced stuff, Impact Whey Protein from MyProtein. It is undenatured whey protein concentrate, which is what you are looking for to get the immune/detox benefits from whey. This stuff mixes incredibly well in a blender cup and tastes inoffensive.
This was the "cheapest" quality source I could find, and I like it just as well as the Jarrow brand and much better than BioChem. The company runs specials all the time and often offers free shipping with a certain purchase amount.
Website for US users here (I have no affiliation, just happy sharing what has helped me):
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- I think that whey can be overrated. Oh, it can be good, of course - especially to help raise glutathione. But so many liver supportive herbs can do just as well, or better in that regard and have properties & action far beyond that of whey.
And, even nut milks that you could make yourself in a good strong blender might be a better way to get good nutrients. Unlike whey - which should never be used in a blender or have fruit added - the nuts can add some creaminess goodness to any smoothie.
Unless a VitaMix or BlendTec or similar high power machine, any good strong blender should be able to "do" softer nuts like walnuts or pecans.
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When I used it all the time I used Biochem vanilla. The other flavors are not very good.
You don't use whey in the blender because it denatures it with the friction. I did put it i the blender, but right at the end after everything else was blended well and only briefly.
I always used mine with fruit, so that I can't answer.
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All whey sold in the US is already denatured as part of the pasteurization process. Also, mechanical agitation (blending) does not effect the protein structures.
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I'm having GI problems and my labs have been showing consistently low protein levels. I've tried improving my diet but it is not helping so I need to supplement.
This is why I need the whey protein, to boost my protein levels. Glutathione is a secondary, though very important, benefit to using the whey.
Thank you for any other recommendations!
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I had been using Jay Robb whey isolate for years but it does get pricey. I'm now a recent convert to the A2 milk products that are now becoming available.
I couldn't drink cow's milk for about 20 years (major GI issues if I did) and had chalked this up to lactose intolerance. However I could always still use sheep/goat/buffalo products without issues. Turns out pretty much all milk including human is the A2 protein form. Cow dairy used to be A2 until recently when they started picking cows for high milk production which selected for the A1 protein.
It appears the A1 protein can be super inflammatory even if it seems like you can tolerate it. I have been eating a lot more dairy now in the A2 form including Whey protein concentrate, which I could never use before (only isolate). The concentrate is supposed to be healthier bc of the other immune boosting factors in it. I can also drink a glass of A2 milk (which is full of lactose) without any issues whatsoever.
This is not my area of expertise, but after having read your post, I received a newsletter from athlete Perry Fields on the subject, so am passing it on.
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- My BlendTec blender certainly does warm up the contents when I'm using any kind of vegetables and water. The motor gets really warm even if the vegetables are cut into smaller chunks first.
If whey were to be added even at that end (and even if the pH were okay with whatever veggies would be in it), it would be too warm.
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* What is the best way to store ImmunePro RX�?
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* What is the best solution to mix it in?
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* Do not use an electric blender. The whey proteins are easily denatured through heat and pH change.
Mixing the whey protein with any other types of food can induce a pH change and slow the transit time in the stomach through its digestive response to the solid food.
Liquids that are not neutral in their pH can also denature the proteins, for example: most fruit juices, coffee, and tea. By following the above guide, the uptake of the undenatured protein fractions in the upper small intestine is optimized.
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Thank you all for sharing your experiences with me. I also appreciate the general info about the whey protein too. I want to get the maximum effect possible from my supplement so I will keep this in mind.
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Whey protein is a bi product of cheese and milk- these products come out of processing dairy and are leftover. These biproducts cause systemic inflammation and puffs up muscle it doesn't build muscle!!!!
Continue to research whey protein you will be surprised!!!!! Take Juice Plus to help with oxidative stress from workouts FOOD CAN HEAL THE BODY
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It's true that it's a byproduct of dairy processing, but it's also a glutathione precursor. I found it lowered inflammation because it helped with toxins.
I had problems with Juice Plus. I couldn't take the garden blend at all. And it's not all fruit and vegetables like they market it as being.
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Sammy - just saw this. What protein levels? What test?
My recent Chem Panel showed low protein. Never had that happen before.
"That" protein seems to be related to Albumin and Globulin. I'll try to find the info. Also a link that explains some things.
So curious about your low protein - as in what test? Meaning you need more protein in your diet?
Or immune system related? Or both???
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(Update 9/2/15)
SusanK asked what protein levels were low on my labs?
On my "Comprehensive Metabolic Panel" my total protein levels have been low.
My Albumin and Globulin levels have both been significantly low also.
I do realize that total protein includes Albumin and Globulins. I do have almost non existent IgA and IgM with very low IgG.
I've been on IVIG but we recently found out that my dose was seriously inadequate leaving my IgG levels way too low. So we are slowly trying to raise my dose every 2 months until it reaches the normal range.
I've also been told that since my Albumin is seriously low that my diet must be inadequate. I have increased my dietary intake as much as possible but it has not raised my lab levels. Recently I have started supplementing with 25g whey protein daily. Even this supplementation has not yet raised my Albumin levels.
I have severe GI problems including Mast Cell Disease, gastroparesis, autonomic neuropathy, and also markers for Crohns and Ulcerative Colitis.
Last time I had a GI enteroscopy my doctor found ulcers in my small intestine along with signs of malabsorption and atrophy. I'm seeing a new "super specialist" now to find out what exactly is wrong. I have so many symptoms.
So that's the short story!!!
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Since I'm already taking the whey protein supplement daily now, how do I also make sure that I'm getting the benefit of increasing glutathion?
Do I need to take any additional supplements with the whey to help the body form more glutathion? Or does whey already contain everything that the body needs?
I've been purchasing IV glutathion supplements but I'd like to be able to reduce or stop that if I continue supplementing with whey protein daily.
Thank you for sharing any info that you might have!
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quote:Originally posted by sammy: Since I'm already taking the whey protein supplement daily now, how do I also make sure that I'm getting the benefit of increasing glutathion?
Do I need to take any additional supplements with the whey to help the body form more glutathion? Or does whey already contain everything that the body needs?
I've been purchasing IV glutathion supplements but I'd like to be able to reduce or stop that if I continue supplementing with whey protein daily.
Thank you for sharing any info that you might have!
If you're willing, the coffee enema triggers your body to make mroe glutathione just so long as you have the raw materials available (whey protein).
I've been told that about coffee enemas, but I have never been able to find documentation of this. I've never seen a scientific paper on coffee enema triggering this production. How do these docs know this is the case?
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Does anyone know if whey should not be used by someone with casein sensitivity? I tested sensitive by blood test, but have no reaction to dairy.
I've read there are only traces of casein in whey.
I love the whey I'm using and now that I know that it's a precursor to glutathione, I wouldn't want to give it up.
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