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I heard the raw milk can contain spirochetes, but even if it does, I can't see them adapting to your immune system in your stomach like they do when they have 24 hours in the tick stomach to adjust to your blood and immune system before they enter your blood stream - I would think they would get destroyed
the colostrum may have anti-bodies to boost your immune system, if the cow has been exposed to ticks (likely)
what do you think?
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Tried both, got really gassy with raw milk idk why. So could only tolerate it for a couple days. I tried colostrum too. I didn't notice much of a difference
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I have not been on the LymeNet forum for so long and was wondering if there is a strong opinion either way
I have been off dairy for 15 years and recently tried raw A2 milk and it was wonderful - only I tend to overdo things and went from 1/2 Gallon per week to 3 Gallons per week and that is too much fat and calcium
it was great for calcium, though, since I had been low on blood tests and this was great - I did supplement with Mg and D3 while drinking all that milk
the raw colostrum has either give me a giant herx or a new infection, or I just had a flare that was a coincidence - oh, I wish I knew
I love the milk and may stay with it at 1/2 Gallon per week, unless I get more worried about live spirochetes in there that could infect me via drinking milk?
the colostrum is hard to get - only when they have extra - so it is not a cure or even readily available - was just another try
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Was gunna try transfer factors ..but sceptical..anybody else?
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When my white cell count went low during treatment, my lyme doc had me take Transfer Factor. The active ingredient was bovine (cow) colostrum.
In 2 weeks, we tested my blood again and the white count was up to normal. So, it worked wonderfully for me.
Each time the white count went low, I took the bovine colostrum. After 3 times I just took it daily until I was finished with treatment.
So, thanks to that colostrum, I never had to interrupt my treatment due to this side effect.
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That's great, that the colostrum helped you! White blood cells - interesting. They say milk is a form of filtered blood anyway. One tribe in Africa is said to bleed their cows as well as milk them - that makes sense in this context: you could use both milk and blood as nourishment, depending on your cultural background.
I wonder if the Transfer Factor was sterilized somehow. I am taking the milk/colostrum straight from the cow.
The raw milk is fresh, the colostrum frozen since the farmer family keeps it in case they need it for a calf, and only sell some when their freezer is full and they have extra.
I still got 5 half Gallons in the freezer.
Took 2 half Gallons over the course of 2 days at the beginning of June and had the migraine of a life-time and a blown out left knee and muscle twitching (left chest but also legs, head, hands, etc. where I had Lyme symptoms before) for 10 days. Just getting better now.
I don't know if I got a new infection (don't think so) from the raw colostrum, or a herx (could be) or just coincidentally had a huge set-back with the Lyme. I think the last is most likely. I have been off everything since January (because I got worried about my kidneys) and Lyme has been creeping back.
Has anyone heard evidence of infection possibility through raw milk?
I would think the spirochetes would be in there - but not sure if they would survive your stomach.
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You might want to read this webpage which was written by 4Life Transfer Factor (the one I took with success):
I don't know about possible infection through raw milk.
I found two references to raw milk in the book "The Lyme Disease Solution." Here they are:
"Dairy Products: This is another higher-than-normal risk for inflammation, as well as for food allergies and sensitivities. .... The healthiest dairy products to use are organic butter, organic milk and cheeses (preferably raw source), goat's milk and cheeses....." (p. 215)
"Sources of good fats include . . . organic raw milk cheese and other cheeses from pasture-fed cows...." (p. 222)
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My milk is organic and raw - well it is not certified organic, but I spoke to the farmers: grass in summer and organic alfalfa hay in winter and non-GMO grains only, when needed
goats and sheep also have only A2 milk, I think
great
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Hmmmm, wonder if that's why my hubby does better on goats milk? We have our own goats.
There's a farmer not too far from us with an organic farm. He has Jersey cows but doesn't sell raw milk privately. I asked if we could try some and he readily gave us 2 quarts for my hubby to try. Hubby did fine with that milk. Wish we could buy it.
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H pylori survives stomach acid and its a spirochete. ...thanks tf forthe transfer factor experience
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MannaMe, I am not sure about the milk being ok yet, with respect to danger of getting infected with Lyme through live spirochetes in the milk
but if you really would like the raw Jersey milk, most states allow you to get a "cow share" or "herd share" and receive milk from your own cow
some states don't even allow that, but you may find more information if you google it
bluelyme, thank you so much for the information!
I looked up the H pylori and it seems that that one predominantly lives in the stomach, so it may be especially adapted to the acid, whereas Borrelia is hopefully not (?)
also, I think it said that H pylori is a curved rod, not spirochete, but I see what you mean in that it has a "tail" to it
I guess I am just hoping that the milk is ok to have because I like it so much and it seemed fine with my body and I was low in Ca on blood work, so this seemed such a nice solution, but I will do what needs to be done in the end
thank you all so much for your help!
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