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HW88
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Has anyone been on antidepressants while treating Lyme. Mine is getting quite bad and I'm not sure I can make it through treatment with flares so often. I was wondering if anyone had experience with dealing with depression while treating lyme.

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Nothing wrong with an antidepressant if you need it. I had a friend who took it for a year till she got better.

It may be a nice Band-Aid till you get the infection under control, but this is only my opinion of course.

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If you have any kinds of fluorescent lights, you might switch those out to a warm LED.

First, consider nutrient deficiencies that are so common with depression:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=123746;p=0

Topic: MAGNESIUM - Informational Links set


and the kinds of liver stress / toxicity that can cause depression for those with lyme, support the liver and the brain gets some good relief, too.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=030792;p=0

LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too.


Consider the fact that GLUTEN can be a root cause of depression, too. When I went gluten free my mood was so much better than with any of the antidepressants that had made me much worse (my body can't handle such chemicals).

And food additives. All that is covered here:


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=029690;p=0

Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors (that are not likely natural at all).
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Do you have enough good lipids on board? Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Hemp seed oil, Fish Oil (from good source, be sure of source) . . .

Your good fats are key to a decent mood. And enough good protein and lots of complex carbs from veggies of all colors. The colors in veggies can help so much with our mental health.

Avoiding bad / old / overly heated fats is also key. Even with nuts, be sure they are raw, not "roasted" - unless you do that yourself right before enjoying them at home. Once heated, the oils become rancid and clog the blood vessels. Depression is just one possible result.

If you consume any processed foods, look at the labels and be sure they are ZERO in trans fats.
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WOW, Thank you everyone. Unfortunately eat is very hard for me. The lyme attacked the vagus nerve that tells my stomach to pump and so I deal with gastroparesis as well.

I eat a lot of coconut oil to try and get my good fats as well as fish oil supplement. I'm taking probiotics and eating sauerkraut.

My LLMD gave me a good multivitamin with SOOO much in it, but I wonder how much my body absorbs.

The depression flares mostly around my period, but my period is every 21 days, so if feels like it's a lot.

I've only been on antibiotics for a little over a month. I've seen some improvement in some areas, but still suffer so much in many ways.

Hoping each month gets better. I just know I won't make it if I have to keep dealing with debilitating depression every 2 weeks.

Thank you for all the suggestions. Thank you for responding. I really appreciate the suggestions and help.

I'm going to try to up my fruits and veggies and see if that helps. THANK YOU!

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Dong Quai is an excellent herb for the kinds of menstrual difficulties you describe. Liver support is also essential to good menstrual health. If the liver is taxed, menstruation is usually much harsher in many ways, including mood.

I can't read the rest of your post, just managed to see that part.

Many here can't read solid test. If you want more replies, you can use the edit icon (tiny paper and pencil) and add in some breathing room for the eyes and brain. You will get more replies if your audience can read your questions.

Three or four lines as the max for a finished paragraph is best. That's about 5-6 lines in the compose mode. You can use the edit icon to go back and forth as you like.

And, for each new thought, question or issue, a new paragraph. That way, stuff won't get lost or buried.
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Keebler, how long were you off gluten before you could tell a difference?
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Some basics, although it would be best to consult a naturopathic doctor or herbalist and one who is lyme literate as lyme does complicate all this.

http://www.motherearthliving.com/health-and-wellness/herbs-for-health-the-menstrual-cycle.aspx

Herbs for Health: Remedies for Menstrual Problems

Humans have long been using herbs to regulate mentruation, relieve cramps and ease birth. Find out what herbs could help you with your own menstrual complaints.

By Steven Foster - Mother Earth Living - June / July 1997
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Q: " how long were you off gluten before you could tell a difference?"

Regarding brain fog / mood, probably a week or two. Regarding overall body pain, it took a little longer but I could tell I was on the right track.
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Thank you so much!
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foxy loxy, do you know which antidepressant? I've heard some are better than others when it comes to lyme and how it responds.
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Consider as you explore any Rx -

A post by LymeToo a couple weeks ago, led to all this:

http://www.slweb.org/ftrc.html

FLUORIDE Toxicity Research Collaborative -- Second Look’s increasing focus on the toxicity of

fluorides and fluorine

compounds and related health effects is largely the result of fluoride's ongoing “invisibility”. . . .


http://www.slweb.org/ftrcfluorinatedpharm.html

Index of Fluorinated Pharmaceuticals

http://www.slweb.org/ftrcfluorinatedpharm_antid.html

Partial list of Fluorinated Antidepressants
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Thank you! I will definitely weigh everything out.
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You may want to try st johns and l dopa ,inositol and lithium orate before resorting to ssri...but i could use some trazadones or alazoprams ...

also kava ,ashgwanda ,holy basil and hops ,passion flower ..there is a supp called happy camper ..just ideas

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Which antidepressant works is very individual and sometimes takes some trial and error.

Maybe someone can comment on which coinfection(s) have a 2-week cycle? Perhaps that's the/a reason for HW88's cyclical every-two-weeks depression?

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My crushing, cyclical episodes of anxiety and depression had little connection to the external events in my life. I was fine one minute and the next I was in despair. There were no situational triggers that I could see. It was like someone kept secretly flipping a switch. I would have bouts of crying during these episodes. The anxiety/depression sometimes lasted hours and at other times days. This went on for several years. For me, there were underlying biochemical reasons. Supporting the methylation cycle was key. Sub-lingual methylcobalamin B12 was a life saver for me. For more information about the Active B12 Protocol: www.howirecovered.com/active-b12-therapy-faq
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high brix, thanks for that very important detail about B12 deficiency. Along that line:


www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/health/mary-todd-lincoln-anemia-vitamin-b12.html?hpw&rref=health&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom- well&_r=0

Was Mary Todd Lincoln Driven ‘Mad’ by a Vitamin Deficiency?

By Denise Grady - NYT - July 8, 2016


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/health/mary-todd-lincoln-pernicious-anemia/index.html

What was behind Mary Todd Lincoln's bizarre behavior?

By Jen Christensen - CNN - July 6, 2016
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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/36277

Topic: SSRI antidepressants & Suicide

Some other considerations regarding nutritional avenues, too.
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I would stay away from SSRI's.

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HW88, She took Lexapro and said it helped her so much. She then went off it and has been fine.

I wouldn't make an SSRI my first choice, but it lyme treatment isn't helping it then I bet I would.

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WOW, thank you everyone. I'm trying to weigh my options. Right now the depression/anxiety/insomnia are more than I can handle and continue with treatment.

I started Mino first and it threw me into a VERY bad place.

I was switched to Ceftin, which I've had good days on, but continue to cycle to bad places.

I'm afraid if I don't treat the depression/anxiety/insomnia, I won't make it through treatment at all.

Lots of options. Thank you so much for responding. It's nice to know others understand how hard this is.

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I get the feeling based on your last post that you are in a lot of pain (emotionally), and I'm so terribly sorry.

It certainly doesn't hurt to go to a psychiatrist and get an opinion. Some people do need meds for depression, anxiety, etc. to get through this, and that's okay.

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Me, thank you for your sympathy. I'm glad I found this site. It's nice to know others understand.

Thank you to everyone.

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