daystar1952
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Hi folks....Just wondering if any of you have had hive like individual red marks from Lyme, babesiosis or bartonella? They are itchy, often maybe the size of dimes but size varies. They emerge from under the skin, become more red, sometimes ooze fluid, then crust over. The redness fades over a week or so and then dark marks or scars appear that will usually disappear after a few months. I seem to only get them from April through September. Here are photos at this link of what it can look like. I only get several at a time and not as many as the top photo. https://sites.google.com/site/marylandlyme/children/rashes-and-symptoms Does anyone know what could cause these? Could it be a virus?
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The second pic, the one with the big red welts, I had a big red welt like that after being bit. It was itchy too. A few months later I went downhill. Do you think April through September you are getting bit? Nymphs are so tiny. Maybe it's just lyme resurfacing.
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WPinVA
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Which antibiotics are you on? Any chance it could be an allergic reaction to an antibiotic?
Or perhaps to something else? The fact that you only get them in the summer seems suspicious to me. Could you be reacting to a sunscreen or to a chemical in a pool?
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I have these i think it is Bart, borrelia. Derm said it was acne vulgaris...wanted to do humira...oil of oregano seems to get em...
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I think my cousin had those and it went away with Lyme treatment. I agree that it might be a type of acne.
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daystar1952
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Hmmm...interesting everyone. I am not on any antibiotics now. These outbreaks come from inside...not an outside bite.
They itch like hives and at first that's what you think they are. I was wondering about bart also. WP in VA....I think it might have something to do with histamine, other allergies in the environment and heat and humidity.
This isn't too say that Lyme or bart is not an underlying cause of a histamine reaction tho. It's just all so complicated and it seems so silly to have to spend most of one's life trying to figure it all out. CRAZY!
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I can find it at any health food store for a few bucks.
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TF
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When I first started getting sick with lyme, I got a total of 13 red spots similar to what you show in the pictures.
They came on my legs. It took about a week to 10 days for all 13 to appear. I know they were not individual tick bites. I would see more each day.
They itched like mad!!!!! They lasted a long time, just as you say. They were all about as large as a nickel.
So, I think that this is one way a lyme infection can manifest. And, of course, the page with the pictures is saying the same thing.
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- While this thread is a bit dated, I just stumbled upon it.
And it's been about ten years since this -- still, for the record in case this might help others -
Some similarities to TF's post above in number and itch factor.
Photo #2: exactly like what I would get in reaction to doxycycline.
I tried several times, 3 at least with a month apart from each trial
(as for a time, taking one doxycycline would lessen hyperacusus and sound trigger startle seizure so that I could go out for a song circle. I could no longer tolerate doxycycline though and the similar minocyine made me too sick with vertigo, although the mino did not seem to bring up those rashes other than maybe slightly).
and no other Rx - so I know this was the doxycycline.
I had taken doxycline before and did fine with it. Stopped it for a while due to access and comprehensive approach. At some time I did use flagyl with it but not at the time of these rashes.
For the record, though, I've dealt with lyme & other TBD but never really got proper treatment.
Back to rashes: seriously - within 20 minutes from taking the doxycycline they would start to raise and itch terribly.
A few would start to pop up very soon - the others would all be there within maybe six hours and full intensity the next day.
My GP at the time said it would be impossible for an allergy to show in that short of time. I did not bother to discuss how - it it was lyme related - it might.
[Still, though, why couldn't an allergy show in 20 minutes' time. He seemed to think that it had not had time to process in the body. But, if it started dissolving right away, the body could get an allergy signal. Yet, I think it was not allergy but lyme reaction. I had no LLMD so just kept that all to myself.]
The rash "rounds" would increase in warmth and itch and last for a week or two and then gradually diminish - and then turned grey . . . smarting like a bee sting of maybe two day's prior.
It took months for them to disappear yet still very tender at those middle points.
I had taken doxycline for some time before that -- but not immediately near the time this rash started.
I determined I cannot chance another dose of it. This was years ago - maybe ten years or so.
Thoughts: could be that doxycline brought "out" the borrelia reaction and these were
Multiple, so-called “satellite” rashes may appear on different parts of the body. . . . [see link below]
Each time, I would get between 10 - 13 of these. With subsequent times, they would appear in EXACTLY the same places - and a few others.
Mine were only on torso and thighs.
I do recall some tick bites & attachments in past years / decades in some of the rash locations (for what that might be worth)
Each about 1.5 - 2.00 inches with the center much more inflamed as if carrying some fluid but I dare not pushed on it.
Of course, size and (other things) may vary person to person
and I think other Rx could also "bring these up to the surface"
or even no Rx at all if the lyme was just inclined to do this.
I will say the intensity of the sharp & burning ITCH was so horrible and nothing helped. It felt like it went deep into the nerves below the rash circles.
I tried 3 x, though, as it's also horrible to not be able to go out at all. For 3 nights, at least, I got to be with people. The price was just too high.
Obviously, for anyone else with such a rash, I strongly encourage getting to a LLMD or LL ND for a full assessment and fully proper and comprehensive protocol ---
This is a very clear indication that decisive action be taken. My wish is that anyone who has these kinds of rashes will be able to access the needed medical care and support methods.
Liver support is vital as the liver can also make skin issues worse when the liver is overwhelmed with toxins. -
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. . . rashes can mimic spider bite, ringworm, or cellulitis. Multiple, so-called “satellite” rashes may appear on different parts of the body. . . . -
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bejoy
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To me that rash looks like something in the HHV family (Human herpesvirus). I would suspect Roseaola, which is HHV6. People seem to be particularly prone to HHV viruses when killing spirochetes. The body becomes more acid, and the protein levels seem to be right for the viruses to proliferate.
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