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Someone mentioned on one of my other threads that there should be no sudden twisting to the spine?
Could someone explain this, and what alternative methods of adjustment there are?
I know there are plenty of complimentary modalities, but I'm more interested in what to do with my current chiros than finding an alternative to it.
I'm also currently using a cane due to muscle weakness, and even though I know about good posture, sometimes my body just can't manage, and my spine gets all flooey.
ESPECIALLY my atlas. It's the weak point in my body, period.
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- Everyone is at a different point. For those with inflammation issues, this matters most.
* Inflammation. Let's say your ankle is swollen and terribly inflamed. Good idea to go twisting that? No. Micro-tears, bleeding, etc. could result.
Same for spine. For those with untreated lyme or not fully address lyme / other infections that can cause inflammation in the spine, it should never be suddenly twisted.
* Nerve fibers. In addition to other tissue in the spine that can be inflamed - the nerves themselves are very often infected and to twist then can cause damage, actual tearing and scarring.
For me, when this was done it was as if my brain was just bombed, though. The nerves in my neck sort of "screamed" at the nerves in my brain & just when haywire.
* Adrenals. My adrenal system then considered this too much of a shock and landed me in bed at least a week after each such encounter until I just figured out to avoid that and switched to massage. That's before I knew I had lyme, though.
* Spirochetes / other microbes. Then there are the spirochetes to consider. If they are suddenly jolted, they get "angry" can spew form more toxins and then even just literally spring deeper to anywhere they want, curl up into their cystic form for protection.
This is the explanation of a LLMD's paper / report I read years ago and it sure explained why when I was so very ill, such sudden twisting of my neck made me so much worse for a long time.
When tissue is inflamed and infected, it should not be twisted.
There are various safe methods of body work. Two of those can be found via Google:
Upledger Institute - and see of anyone trained in that method of cranial sacral might be on your insurance plan.
Fendenkrais -
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- Also to consider is that when adjustments do not hold, it can be explained by the same doctor from above (I wish I had saved that name and have not been able to find it but recall his words).
Lyme in infected nerve fibers sends all kinds of signals to the muscles in a storm or neuroexcitotoxic flurry. Muscles can tighten up like a rock as long as lyme has not yet been properly addressed or still has a long way to go to settle down the nerve lightning storms, so to speak.
Magnesium deficiency, too, can cause nerve signals to go haywire and, in turn, turn muscles to rock (figuratively, of course, yet in very literal nagging & deep pain).
When muscle are getting excessive signals from nerves or are deficient in magnesium, very often they are simply incapable of "holding" a adjustment, regardless of the method used.
Other reasons for when adjustments do not hold:
INNER EAR / BALANCE issues - which often go along with lyme can cause constant stress on the entire body structure.
muscle weakness (as you mention) - if parts of the body are pulling weight and core strength can't hold one up, "holding" alignment is rarely possible.
Core training with PILATES might be of great help. And Feldenkrais for detail below.
posture, ergonomics, habits, energy. If one is very tired that makes it harder, of course to maintain good posture at all times. Be sure to be very mindful of body mechanics.
Feldenkrais is excellent in this regard. Your body may need to be "re-educated" in how to walk. A Feldenkrais practitioner who would also be LL can tell you more - but do not do this until lyme has already started to be addressed.
That neuro over stimulation has to settle down first.
For lyme and other tick-borne / chronic stealth infections that might be on board:
Direct, assertive, targeted treatment must be the foundation. If the infection is not being addressed, the muscles don't stand a chance of being able to hold the skeleton in alignment. -
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- Other ways, you ask:
Pilates, Qigong, Tai Chi . . . The Alexander Technique is similar to Feldenkrais for body movement issues. Check out all these for what resonates.
Massage, acupuncture, acupressure, Shi-at-su, too. I found massage much more helpful than cranial sacral at softening the hardened muscles that kept pulling my neck out of whack.
Yet it must be with LL LMT. Your LLMD should know of various body work methods to suggest at this point in time for yourself, and specific names to give you, too. -
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FIND A THERAPIST trained in UPLEDGER TECHNIQUE (not all trained in cranial-sacral also have the visceral training so do ask first.)
Some who are trained in this (such as a D.O. or P.T.) may be covered by your insurance. -
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- Be sure all food excitotoxins are out of your life, too, as that also really matters to nerve signals that aren't going to cause muscles to boomerang:
Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors (that are not likely natural at all). -
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Electrolytes and other minerals / nutrients also matter for good nerve signaling. Key essential fatty acids, etc.
If you might be dehydrated on occasion, that will also cause nerve signals to turn muscles weak and coordination off. Avoid the commercial electrolyte garbage. Better:
Detailed Ingredients & origin of minerals: CSS®, Florida dipotassium phosphate, Great Salt lake potassium sulfate, Gulf of Mexico magnesium sulfate, trace minerals from Texas and Arkansas, Citric Acid. -
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Find a chiro with ADVANCED training using the activator method. You want someone who only does the activator all day, everyday. It's best for lyme patients.
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That was a lot of really great info Keebler! You really broke it down well. Thank you!
Luckily my husband is trained in cranio-sacral through Upledger. He learned it to try to help me. I pay him with kisses and love. ;-)
I am very familiar with Feldenkreis, and, being a trained actress, have done Alexander Technique. I'm a former dancer and martial artist, so I'm fairly well aware or body mechanics in general.
I use magnesium oil at night, though I'm not sure if I notice much of a difference.
When I told my chiro I have Lyme, he even said I shouldn't do any twisting at all, and used only the activator on me. We did make a compromise and agreed to do ONLY an atlas adjustment just to give me some relief.
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I think you are right though. It's too early to be working on posture. Sometimes I toddle like a, well, toddler. Twice in the last two days I have had to CRAWL to bed because I couldn't get up off the floor.
I have not been tested for EDS, but I had a good friend who has that, and based on everything she shared with me (including showing me how her joints moved), I'm reasonably certain I don't have that.
For the most part, I make everything I put into or on my body myself. So there's not a lot of room for additives or anything like that. Almost everything is organic. I even make my own lotion and hair care products.
In fact, I'm probably in a really good spot in general. I don't know anyone who has as much control over what goes into their body as I do!
I'm fairly certain at this point that my celiac disease and other food allergies have saved my life! It's been over a decade since I ate any of that crap, and I'm sure I'd be dead by now (or at least would have become bedridden a LONG time ago) if I didn't eat the way I do.
Whew! And with that I'm off to take a shower. And then sit and do nothing for a few hours after all that. Because, well, I'm sure you guys get it...
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It is possible to have chiropractic care as a Lyme patient, but like everything, we're all different, and might need varying force, as in extremely light, light, or medium force - I doubt any of us qualify for heavy force.
I'm someone who needs chiro care to function. I see an extremely accomplished chiropractor. I think it's necessary to see someone who knows what they're doing.
It also depends on what needs adjusting. Usually it's full spine, but could also be very specific.
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- RedDragon,
What you describe about needed to rest after just taking a shower is very common. It can get better. Glad to hear you food is healthful and that you are not overdoing it.
As you just posted yesterday for a doctor, I hope you can find one soon and start the assessment and treatment process.
Good luck. -
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That's good to know. My problem areas, with the exception of my atlas, are all straight adjustments. Mid back ribs, and sternum have been going out. I suspect that's just posture based due to exhaustion. I may be aware of my posture, but that doesn't mean my muscle strength always cooperates.
So I think for now I'll just go with atlas adjustments being necessary and the sternum and mid back being okay since they are straight on adjustments with no twisting.
I'm starting to get pain in my left knee now, but mostly in stairs. *sigh*
I'm seeing a great LLND in my area. We just diagnosed me with Lyme (again - this is after my CDC positive), Babesia, and Bartonella.
Doc has grave concerns about starting treatment until I detox, due to HLA genes, so actual treatment is 6-12 months out.
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