Could this potassium iodide have some antipathogenic properties that could affect borrelia ?
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"Potassium iodide is used to loosen and break up mucus in the airways. This helps you cough up the mucus so you can breathe more easily if you have long-term lung problems (e.g., asthma, chronic bronchitis, emphysema). This medication is known as an expectorant." interesting...
ukcarry
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This is a very interesting video, Wrotek. Re. Using potassium iodide in saturated solution for borrelia, a concern would be the health of the thyroid, by the sound of it.
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I dont think it would be a concern, only theoretical, on the contrary, are not thyroid diseases a result of borrelia ?like hashimoto ?
In second paper there is quote "Powerful new drugs replaced potassium iodide in dermatology practice, under the pretext that its therapeutic dose was too close to being toxic.
On the other hand, better understanding of its mechanism of action resulted in new questions regarding its optimal dose and proper use, generating optimistic future perspectives for a known, safe, inexpensive and effective drug."
The question is "was the pretext real ? "
" The lack of scientific investigations in this area could be justified by the lack of interest from the pharmaceutical industry in this old and unprofitable drug. "
(breaking up a paragraph for easier reading for many here)
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- For some infections, for a limited time, a "higher" dose might be of help yet it can have drawbacks. As PART of a overall anti-infective regimen, it might be best if needed for ongoing time periods.
IMO, it's not a workable treatment for a systemic infection of stealth proportions & of established length, yet, if there is a deficiency, that can cause all kinds of health issues.
And with physiological replacement dose, a person could feel much better. [It helps me but is no miracle.]
If there is too much, it can be very dangerous.
It's important to first be assessed as to if this is right for each person . . . and be aware of the 12.5 mg top dose daily still, that might be too much for some. How to figure it out, see Brownstein's work. Detail here:
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12.5 mg a day ? It is not even in the same ball park. Keebler have You read second paper i quoted ? You have said
quote:IMO, it's not a workable treatment for a systemic infection of stealth proportions
based on what is this assumption ?
"PRESENTATION AND DOSAGE The recommended dose of potassium iodide to treat infectious diseases varies from 4 to 6g/day or 6 to 7.5 g/day for adults, depending on the scientific reference. "
"It is important to have all these considerations in mind before administering the drug to a patient so that the actual dose can be known. Toxicity or absence of therapeutic response is often due to inadequate dosage. "
but "However, the recommended dose for inflammatory dermatoses is lower. It is approximately 1g/day for adults, taken in three doses."
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Thank you for the links and information.
I didn't know that Morgellons was part of lyme disease...
------------------------------------ Copy pasting the conclusion of the paper above:
Conclusions
Our study using multiple detection methods confirms that Morgellon's Disease is a true somatic illness associated with Borrelia spirochetes that cause Lyme disease.
Further studies are needed to determine the optimal treatment for this spirochete-associated dermopathy.
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About iodine, it's by far my favorite product for skin injuries, etc.
I'm now using it daily on my cat, after a bad fight...
During lyme, I used to paint my legs with it, wait until my skin absorbed it. The fastest the absorption, the more I needed iodine.
I guess all lyme sufferers are lacking iodine, as well as magnesium, Vit D3...
I never drank it, but I had capsules of iodine in my freezer some time ago, because I was living close to Fukushima (in South corea).
The local MD gave that to all his patients, just in case.
I always knew it was a widespectrum killer, because it is used in hospitals for ages, before, after surgeries. The amount they paint the skin of people with it, for so many decades, without any 'side' effects.....
It is efficient, a sort of grand mother remedy, too cheap to be profitable in pharmacies (it is hard to find iodine in pure liquid form, now).
The pharma prefers white creams that work NOTHING compared to iodine. I refuse to buy these sh..ty products (of course, more expensive, less efficient that iodine, no shadow of doubt).
In hospitals, nurses paint iodine directly on all open wounds, etc. It means it goes directly into the blood circulation.
I don't think there is any big danger, if not overdoing it...
I would also add more sea weeds to the diet, or sea products. They have good organic forms of iodine, probably better absorbed than chemical forms (just a guess....).
I hope you get better from Morgellon's. It looks so awful, to still have to suffer from that on top of 'normal' lyme symptoms.
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Stephen Buhner has a good chapter on Morgellons in his revised book on Lyme, including recent research such as the study Wrotek gives a link to.
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Well the symptoms of Morgellon, beside of skin lesions, are IDENTICAL . And there are of course papers of scientists isolating spirochetes from lesions.
quote: Potassium Iodide Potentiates Broad-Spectrum Antimicrobial Photodynamic Inactivation Using Photofrin. Huang L1,2,3, Szewczyk G4, Sarna T4, Hamblin MR2,3,5. Author information Abstract It is known that noncationic porphyrins such as Photofrin (PF) are effective in mediating antimicrobial photodynamic inactivation (aPDI) of Gram-positive bacteria or fungi. However, the aPDI activity of PF against Gram-negative bacteria is accepted to be extremely low. Here we report that the nontoxic inorganic salt potassium iodide (KI) at a concentration of 100 mM when added to microbial cells (108/mL) + PF (10 μM hematoporphyrin equivalent) + 415 nm light (10 J/cm2) can eradicate (>6 log killing) five different Gram-negative species (Escherichia coli, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Proteus mirabilis, and Acinetobacter baumannii), whereas no killing was obtained without KI. The mechanism of action appears to be the generation of microbicidal molecular iodine (I2/I3-) as shown by comparable bacterial killing when cells were added to the mixture after completion of illumination and light-dependent generation of iodine as detected by the formation of the starch complex. Gram-positive methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus is much more sensitive to aPDI (200-500 nM PF), and in this case potentiation by KI may be mediated mainly by short-lived iodine reactive species. The fungal yeast Candida albicans displayed intermediate sensitivity to PF-aPDI, and killing was also potentiated by KI. The reaction mechanism occurs via singlet oxygen (1O2). KI quenched 1O2 luminescence (1270 nm) at a rate constant of 9.2 × 105 M-1 s-1. Oxygen consumption was increased when PF was illuminated in the presence of KI. Hydrogen peroxide but not superoxide was generated from illuminated PF in the presence of KI. Sodium azide completely inhibited the killing of E. coli with PF/blue light + KI. KEYWORDS: Gram-negative bacteria; Photofrin; antimicrobial photodynamic inactivation; potassium iodide; reactive iodine species; singlet oxygen
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