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I have the second Upper Respiratory Infection type virus this season. I was sick in February for two weeks, with a virus.
Last week, I started with a sore throat, went into a full blow, congested state with body aches, coughing. I spent the last 7 days on the couch. My husband came down with the same thing a day after me, but he seems better than me already.
I hadn't been sick for years, and suddenly this year after being off of abx mainly and on an herbal protocol, I have gotten sick twice.
My question is, why do I feel so badly for so long? Is it because my immune system just can't rally despite all the measure I take to boost it......or is it because the viruses are so much stronger now?
It concerns me as I get older. I see how people get pneumonia. Before Lyme I would get colds and viruses but they didn't seem as severe as what is currently happening. I realize the fact that I am getting sick means my immune system is working, which is a good sign, but it sure doesn't feel so positive when I am down and out for 2 weeks.
Any input or advice would be helpful. Thanks
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- Herbs makes all the difference for me, managing with the help of specific herbs.
You say do take some herbs but they may not be specific enough for your body or for acute "events" - do you see a LL ND (naturopathic physician) or an acupuncturist? -
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- First sign of a cold: LOMATIUM. Olive Leaf Extract, Allicin, Andrographis or Berberine are also very good in addition to lomatium.
Medical MUSHROOMS are good, ongoing and then more specific formula for acute "event".
A LL ND would know more specifically what would be best for your body. -
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Oh, no. I just checked this and it's not nearly as good as I know it could be. I have far better articles in various places on my computer. But I just cvan't do better for now. later.
CORDYCEPS is the place to start with any medical mushroom, though, excellent for adrenal support and general "tonic" to the body.
breathing air over salt can be very helpful for lungs. -
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- BABESIA?
With upper respiratory symptoms as you describe, I'm taking a guess that BABESIA might have / is one of the tick borne infections that were / are in your mix?
I think, for me, babesia made all colds so much worse, especially the coughing. For years I thought I would cough my eyeballs to the moon.
So much better in that regard now for many reasons. Artemisinin really helped, as PART of my approach (I could not get Rx for this).
Be sure that if you were assessed with Babesia that treatment has been thorough.
It does not have to get harder / worse as age approaches, though, even if it seems that now.
GLUTEN-FREE; DIARY-FREE / PHLEGM
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- Read all you can by STEPHEN H. BUHNER, all his books. They are each essential to our well being.
He is a very much LL master herbalist and a brilliant researcher and a writer who will keep your interest with a conversational style.
He has several books about tick borne infections as well as books that explore the world of herbal antivirals and herbal antibiotics . . . and his book on hepatitis is excellent for anyone regarding liver support.
also, for basics:
Though not at all about lyme, this is one of the best reference resources on my bookshelf that has wonderful chapters, many graciously available through their website.
The ONE EARTH HERBAL SOURCEBOOK (Tillotson, et al)
He is a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine; She a doctor of Oriental Medicine and Acupuncturist. The third co-author is a doctor of optometry.
HERBAL BASICS [see left side menu for chapters on]
Principles and Traditions
Growth, Manufacture, Quality
How to Evaluate Information
Safety and Regulation
Actions and Interactions
The Language of Herbs
Understanding Herbs -
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- the GUT MICROBIOME also deserves a "chapter" in this set. But I'll leave that up to you to explore or for others to post. -
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- CHANGE YOUR SHOWERHEAD - over time, some can harbor a very rough microbe that can lead to lung troubles. You can search on this and find the exact articles. Bleach does not clean it.
CLEAN DRAINS in bathroom sink; tub & be sure your drains are not harboring clogs of gunk. Bar soaps cause this to happen more so than liquid soaps but, still, be sure at least the part of the drain you can attend to is relatively clean
(with eye protection and an old toothbrush and a citrus based cleaner). At the very end, then with open windows, you might use a little bleach, walk away and let it sit for a few minutes.
CLEAN BEHIND FRIDGE & the tops of any kitchen cupboards. Some are not finished off at the ceiling and collect / harbor stuff.
CEILING FAN tops, too.
Hopefully, you have someone you can ask / hire to do some of this. It all matters.
And a HEPA VACUUM
Toss out any thing FUZZY that collects or sheds (inanimate objects, only, not anything with a beating heart, eh?)
AVOID ALL POWDERS OR SPRAYS in personal care.
BATHMAT: CORK . . . toss anything that is fuzzy. -
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- CHEMICALS on TEXTILES?
Avoid purchasing any textile / furniture with flame retardants or "Teflon" coating.
if you use Teflon on your cookware, now is a good time to switch over as that will off-gas even with low heat. If you have any kind of non-stick (and there is no real "green" type) . . . at least always have a window open with heat is on until you can research cookware and find affordable options.
HOUSEHOLD CLEANERS; GARDEN / LAWN CARE
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- Even if a product is labeled as "natural" or even environmentally safe, that does mean it may not contain harsh ingredients. Recently, after skin issues of many users, even Seventh Generation lost a lawsuit due to an ingredient being in one of their products.
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I use an Herbalist who follows the Buhner approach for the most part. I also see and LLMD who referred me to this herbalist.
I emailed her today and she suggested I get elderberry at the first sign of a virus. Which I will do.
She also said it takes 10 days for the immune system to memorize and cure a virus. So I am 3 days early I guess. Today is day 7.
I have been treated for all coinfections over and over again in 10 years, along with Lyme. But I will talk about Babesiea with my LLMD at my next appt.
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- Glad to hear you are in good hand. I find Lomatium to be far - far - more effective at the first sign of a respiratory disturbance. Elderberry is important, too, but it sure is not as "direct" as lomatium, in my experience of this over many years.
And Olive Leaf Extract as well. It's just so much better than just elderberry, I have found. -
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Ok, thank you Keebler. Where would I find lomatium?
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- HERB PHARM has a nice tincture and is likely in a good real food market near you. The lomatium links set has other options, too.
LDM-100, from Barlow herbs is not in stores. I find that best but it would take a while to get to you from out west. -
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The herb, STINGING NETTLE may serve to compensate for the reaction by calming the the cytokine storm that is often part of a herx reaction. . . .
as well as why a cold or flu can make us feel so awful - the cytokines.
Be sure to avoid acetaminophen as that blocks glutathione being made in liver and also from the cells. and glutathione is REQUIRED to help.
The liver makes it and all cells must get some / keep some for them to be able to "cleanse" and push out the waste byproducts from living and from a hit of a cold or flu virus & the cytokine storm.
Liver support also key during any cold / flu. -
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Whenever I get a virus, it lingers for much longer than on anybody else around me and always packs a bigger punch too. I think this is typical for people with Lyme or other complex chronic infections.
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Whenever I get a virus, it lingers for much longer than on anybody else around me and always packs a bigger punch too. I think this is typical for people with Lyme or other complex chronic infections.
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I guess so. It's very scary though, and I feel like this winter has been really difficult.
I hadn't been sick for years, and now 2 of these viruses back to back is no picnic.
I guess the fact that my husband had them too means it isn't all about my weakened immune system.
Just wish I felt better.
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I agree with UKCarry.
while other kids had just mild chicken pox, my daughter had horrible symptoms, it took her much longer to heal, she got much sicker than all her classmates, the dr looked at her with pity, as her skin was so infected...
she doesn´t have lyme for years, but her immune system definitively is not as strong as the average children.
when she had lyme and got bitten again, and again, she got one serious virus that causes lyme encephalitis. It was HORRIBLE.
While many people barely notice FSME viruses, some people can get permanently damaged, handicapped, and a few even die. So really, it is a matter of weak immunity.
She also caught a lot of colds, all of the viruses running in school for many years, after lyme was gone.
vitamin D3 helped her considerably, but surprisingly, what stopped definitively those constant cold viruses to haunt her was A GLUTEN FREE DIET.
It was amazing to see that after she re~started gluten free diet, she stopped missing school so often. It´s been almost one full year on gluten free diet, and the cold nightmare looks gone.
I think she got one stomach bug the last 10 months, while before, it was at least 2 bugs a month, a lot of missing days in school.
Vit D3 was a must for us in the past, we still continue on it when we remember, but really, the most amazing improvement against colds for her was a gluten~free diet. I think gluten weakened her so much she couldn´t fight any bugs.
This last winter, many kids and teachers were severly ill, for weeks sometimes, and she didn´t catch anything except once a tummy bug...
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Like many, I never seemed to get sick with lyme, or so I thought. With active lyme, our cellular immunity is too repressed to launch an effective attack on incoming viruses, so you never get "sick". Getting sick again is one of the most reliable indicators of recovery. At least for me it has been.
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Honestly I am the exact opposite. Lyme prevents me from catching colds or any viruses. I went 10 years without a cold aftet being infected with Lyme. Im not the only one either. But to answer your question, I would say it's good you are having colds, and the more severe the better. With fevers etc. It means your immune system is finally fighting other things than just the lyme. Like the person above, when treatment is going really well is the only time I can get sick. I wish for catching colds sometimes because I can distinctly remember feeling like I was alive again even though I was sick as a dog with a cold. Lyme always comes back though and then establishes the typical perfect Lyme body environment. Slightly cold, averse to light, and always a flat, cant get sick with viruses but feel nothing kind of state
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