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I'm going to send all these nosodes to a company in the US soon.

I'm already in contact with someone there, who is interested in trying to record all the frequencies of the Staufen nosodes using a 'plasma technology'.

That is why I bought these Meripharm-Staufen nosodes again recently.

I'll give the nosodes in his hands, and will pray that this plasma technology is able to record the imprint of these nosodes forever.

I no longer need them, but I find it a shame that lobbying is destroying all these amazing therapies!

It's still just a dream, I'm not sure it's going to work, but I hope these nosodes frequencies will not be totally lost.

And if they do work, it would be wonderful to have them back to being produced again! And you guys may buy them directly in the US!

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Brussels, I just sent you a pm. I can't get ahold of Meripharm.


Anuta, are you saying that Desbio has the Borrelia by itself, in the dilutions that Brussels recommends? Or do they just have some

of them in combination? I tried to log in to their website to see what they offer, but they need a practitioner to recommend you to them in

order to log in and i don't have that.
thank you

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Also,
Why are the different dilutions so important? Why not just one concentration of the pathogen?

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Do you read German?
this is what Meripharm still had in October 2016, with all the prices:
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Im Sortiment hätten wir
" BORRELIA-ANTIGEN NOS. PTR D4,D6,D8,D10,D12,D30,D60 ".

Dabei handelt es sich um einen neuen ( seit 10-15 Jahren ) Borrelia-Erreger.

Die Ampullen sind von Staufen-MP/Göppingen produziert.

Steril in isotonischer Kochsalzlösung, Klarglas und keine Radionics !

Als EINZELAMPULLEN die von Ihnen angefragte Borrelia Nos. in den Potenzen D5,D6,D8,D12,D60 und D200.

Bezüglich einer Lieferung in die Schweiz kämen folgende Kosten auf sie zu :

Potenzreihe EURO 33,00.
Einzelampullen bis einschließlich D30 EURO 4,00 / Ampulle
Einzelampullen D60 oder D200 EURO 6,00 / Ampulle

Bankgebühren in Höhe von EURO 10,00.
Sowie Portokosten von mindestens EURO 20,00.

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I recently bought Desbio nosodes at Naturalhealinghouse.com
They have Borrelia X nosodes mixed with Babesia nosodes

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Dr. W did use those nosodes, but he added two other vials. One he said was the bacteria. He told us it was only allowed by law to be in doctor's offices and that in the US it was only allowed in laboratories with a special license.

Some have suggested that vial was a mother tincture, but that doesn't make sense since it is only allowed in special labs in the US and not even in doctor's offices.

I don't know what the other of those two vials was.

He let us take the nosodes home with us, but we weren't allowed to take the other two vials.

He told us when we got home that we could use blood since our Lyme load was lowered. I did, just straight blood (after a round of the borrelia/babesia nosodes from Deseret). I treated with blood for the year after I went to Germany.

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Don't get intimidated by all the homeopathic information. I never learned about it and I got well with photon treatment. [Smile]

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It's true, Six!!

My daughter could apply her own treatment with the PE1 at age 5 without understanding anything either!!!

Application is easy, once you have the right substances!

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quote:
Originally posted by steveo:
thank you for the translation lookup! does that mean I can make my own D and LM from a supply of C?

Unfortunately, one cannot make a D from a C because a C has already been diluted too much.

You COULD make a D into a C though by adding more drops of water. Ok, it would not be "exactly" a perfect C but darn CLOSE enough. In homeopathy we have a joke and we would call that a "close-enough-icum."

Now you know WHY homeopathic labs are getting closed down. You could treat a whole epidemic for practically nothing as once you have ONE pellet of any potency you can have it forever.

Drop it in water and everyone from the neighborhood comes for a drop of the remedy water to be put in a glass or jar from home. Then add 1/2 cup water and stir 10 times and that makes a gajillion more doses.

Like Brussels said- if you can get the D5 you can make almost anything from that. It will take some time but it is possible.

You could use the Korsikov method which uses the same vial over and over instead of having numerous (even into the hundreds) of vials.

Here is a link showing the making of a C potency with the Korsikov method:
http://www.sulisinstruments.com/korsakovian.html

Example: you have a D5 "mother bottle", take one drop of that and put it in an empty vial and add 9 drops of water. Succuss it 10 times
(some labs succuss (bang on your palm or soft book) it 100 times)

This is a D6 potency.

Then...pour it out and leave one drop in the vial and add another 9 drops of purified water and succuss 10-100 times (the more you succuss it the more energetic it will be).

Whatever you do- just keep it uniform so you know what you did. Let's say you succuss 50 times- then succuss 50 times every time.

This is a D7 potency, etc.

You could also use ratios to work with:

D or X is
1 part of "Mother solution"
9 parts purified water

I use a mix of alcohol and water to preserve it better. When I get to the last potency
then I do it like this for a D or X:

1 drop of the remedy from a previous potency
6 drops of pure water
3 drops of organic grape vodka

You could use Brandy too- but that has gluten in it and some people are sensitive to gluten.

Succuss as usual. This solution will last a long time.

Normally, one does not need to jump through all of these hoops but seeing that these nosodes are hard to get in low potencies then one may have to jump through hoops.

Once you go through all of that work make sure to keep your remedies away from strong EMF fields. I keep all of my remedies at least a yard from any cell phone or computer.

We don't use a microwave but some people do so it would not be good to store the remedies in a cupboard next to the microwave.

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Great suggestions, Look up. Thank you.

You explain things so well!!!

I guess the problem with homeopathy is not the physical part of it (dilution, succussion, ingestion, etc), but the MENTAL part of it:

It is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to believe this stuff will work!!!

Most of the WEstern world cannot grasp what is a remedy that's got basically water! And only water!!

They classify that as placebo, so why learning all those TOO EASY techniques, that are practically for free?

Homeopathy just comes in front, when there are people claiming to be cured. Like we did, with the PE1.

They think: well, it's the infrared from the PE1 that healed her.

No, no, no... It wasn't: it was the HOMEOPATHY that healed!

The same water remedy: yes, yes, yes.

So every single guy that had been healed from chronic lyme through the Bionic or PE1, has been healed by WATER remedies, not by high tech infrared devices.

The infrared only TRANSMITS the frequencies.

The proof is simple: repeat the procedure without nosodes attached to your belly, NOTHING will happen!!!

Add nosodes, you MAY get rid of lyme!

And you don't even have to INGEST nosodes, only keep it on your skin. This is the power of homeopathy.

That is why what heals is not the water, it's not the molecules of water in the remedy that are healing.

Just think about the history of homepathy, that goes back to Hahnemann 200 years ++ ago.

200 years of history!! It's amazing, I find.

How can we be antibiotic free for so long, 10 years?

And how could I do 7 bone surgeries (cavitations) all of them fully infected, WITHOUT a single dose of antibiotic?

it takes a lot of placebo for that!!!! [Big Grin]

People are so afraid about the end of the era of antibiotic. But if they knew how powerful homeopathy is, there is no fear at all, in my opinion.

I mean, of course, homeopathy cannot go against all pathogens, and not everyone will be healed with it, but after all these years using homeopathy against infections, I never needed to come back to antibiotics (unless I'm on a trip, and I do not have my home pharmacy with me).

it is very important to destroy homeopathy, so that we become slaves of drugs, that we all see, literally, are NOT working any longer!

The lyme community is a proof of how inefficient antibiotics became for any chronic condition.

In my opinion.

but I do see clearly: what blocks people to move into homeopathy and energy medicine, is that it 'sounds' quack, impossible.

Their minds are totally stuck and cannot 'believe', so they won't give it a try. And if you say 'it's for free', then they'll believe it won't work AT ALL!!!

Photon + nosodes is the proof that what heals in homeopathy is NOT WATER, but the frequency inside water. If it was the water, we needed to have ingested the stuff to get better. And no one ingested those nosodes!!!

It still marvels me, when I think about it.

I got a new tick bite again, yesterday. My 6th this year. Or 7th? Ticks are increasing clearly, in my region.

If I didn't have homeopathy, I wonder what choice would I have, than move permanently out of the country side.

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Six, when you said that "DR W. used those Nosodes" were you referring to the ones from Meripharm that Brussels mentioned in German?

Lookup and Brussels, I'm grateful for all the information on how to make different concentrations, but I am still curious why there is a need for the various concentrations.

Also, perhaps I can contribute something to this instead of just receiving help. My wife and I live and work on a farm in the southern

U.S. and have a huge infestation of ticks in our area since it is very hot and humid and

since we live next to a State Park that is filled with deer. For our first two years

here, we were covered in ticks constantly. We had ticks and tick bites almost daily.

Eventually we found pants and socks that had Permethrin in them. That helped alot. Even

better than that though was to establish a community of Guinnea fowl. It used to be that

I couldn't walk from the house to the barn (50 meters) without fear of picing up ticks. Since

the Guinneas though, I haven't been bitten on our farm and have only seen two ticks on our

property in the last 4 years. Our barn cats and our Great Pyrenees roam all 9 acres and

even into the surrounding woods and none of them ever has a tick. Our guinneas have

cleaned up our property and a lot of the land around us. My anxiety for re-infection on my

land is gone entirely. I highly recommend them. They are loud at times, but it is well worth
the peace of mind.

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amazing story, Steve. Are your guinea fowl walking free? Do they come back to sleep inside? And what about care? Are they like chicken?

Do they give nice eggs like chicken? And reproduce themselves on their own, or we must help with infrared incubators etc?

I have just a small area, but would like to have a couple of Guinea fowls, they look nice!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_guineafowl

Wikipedia talks about the fact that these fowls do love ticks!!

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dr. W used Staufen nosodes, as it was one of the biggest companies here (one of the most trustworthy sources of homeopathics in Europe).

As for the dilutions, that IS homeopathy!

It's a bit like a filter: you can look at the same image but if you put another filter, the image will look different.

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Homeopathy is DILUTION.

The more you dilute, the stronger it gets.

Why different dilutions?

You take the wrong dilution, there is no result.
As simple as that.

Take an example at a simple cold: first symptoms are fatigue, nose runs like water, no cough, viruses are reproducing fast to colonize more of your body.

So you treat it with certain homeopathic remedies:
- stronger anti-viral, possibly a nosode of penicillium glabrum D6, that helps with killing
- you can use Allium cepa that is basically onion, to stop the running nose

.....
In a few days, no more runny nose like before, but it becomes a cough, that is wet, sticky, with catarrh:
- you can increase the dilution of the Penicillium glabrum to D12, D30 even D60 to stop the spread of infection.
- you have to use other cough medicine..

....
7 days after, the running nose starts to be sticky too, no more watery... Allium cepa will NOT work, so you change it to something else, that also helps stopping that heavy, sticky catarrh coming from the nose.

10 days after, the cough became so dry, you have no more fatigue (meaning, infection is off, symptoms remain)... but the dry cough does not go away.

Time to make it liquid, to put it off. You stop all nosodes (no more killing), then add only treatments to make the cough wet so that it goes away.

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Same with lyme disease:

it has phases. Bacterial colonies behave different in different phases. Sometimes you need more aggressive anti-microbial treatment, sometimes less aggressive treatment.

By the end of the treatment, you don't feel any infection anymore, even though you may have some left over symptoms to treat.

Different dilutions clear all levels of disease. that is how I understand it.

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A last example:

Borrelia nosodes C200 are the nosodes that are classic. MOst homeopaths will know these nosodes, and will prescribe to all lyme patients.

I took these in the beginning of my lyme history. Ingested, orally. It helped, but it did not solve my problem AT ALL.

Later in the treatment, when I finally found dr. W's protocol, I used very low dilutions first, that CLEARLY got rid of MANY symptoms, then added the C dilutions, including the C200.

Well, that did the job.

So, in short, taking only one dilution C200 because it's a strong dilution, does not mean you will clear lyme.

Same as antibiotics: some people may use 5 simultaneous antibiotics in high dose for 6 months, but that does not mean it will clear lyme either!!

Strong does not mean better.

In homeopathy, DILUTION makes the product. One dilution is not the same as the other dilution.

Each dilution is a single product, a single medicine.

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I think it's a bit like a frequency.

People using Rife know that not only one frequency will kill the pathogen.

The pathogen has many 'faces', the pleomorphic forms, so in no way one frequency will kill them all!

Think of each nosode dilution having a different frequency, and will then treat a different problem.

Like that, you can understand why is it better to go through all possible frequencies to 'eradicate' / treat the WHOLE problem, instead of treating one or a few sides of it.

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Dr W used Staufen Pharmaceuticals nosodes. Plus two other vials that he said contained "live bacteria" that were not allowed to leave his office. He said they are only legal in doctor's offices in Germany, but in the US they are only legal in special laboratories, doctors can't even have them.

He said at home we could use blood instead of those two vials because the blood has everything.

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Thank you Brussels and Six. This is very helpful.


As far as guinneas go....they are easy keepers. We let them roam free. They feed themselves

and then fly up into the trees at night to sleep safe. They hide their eggs, but if you

find them and want to eat them, they are small, but very good. Very high in rich protein. We

do supplement their food during winter or during nesting if they "ask" us for food. The

nesting mothers tend to get really hungry while

protecting and warming the eggs. The birds are

loud...sometimes for many months at a time. It's better than ticks though. They stay

mostly quiet for about a half a year. Winter time makes them noisy again though.

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