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Just wondered if anyone has had any good results with MMS (chlorine dioxide). I've talked to a few people (who don't have Lyme) who have tried it. One person said it helped them feel much better, but another person said it gave them a stomachache that didn't go away for weeks. My stomach isn't in the greatest condition.
The whole thing sounds really risky and I doubt it would actually kill the Lyme or Bartonella, but people keep saying it really works and I should try it, so I just thought I would ask to see if anyone else is using it.
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MMS won't be good on your stomach that's for sure. if you have access to antibiotics than you're better off going that route as MMS is considered an much cheaper alternative.
what have you done for your lyme and bartonella? have you tried treating it with abx or herbs?
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I'm currently on Buhner's herbs, plus N-Acetyl-Cysteine, garlic, and zinc. I tried different combinations of azithromycin and doxy, and rifampin and minocycline for a while, but I started to feel worse after a few months instead of better.
The herbs seem to be working somewhat better(no side effects), but they seem to work very slowly.
I saw something on another thread about alpha lipoic acid and MSM(not MMS) being good for killing Bartonella. I think that is what I'll try instead. It sounds a lot safer to me.
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I'm not sure how ALA and MSM could kill Bartonella. They're good supportive supplements, however.
I'm not a fan of MMS either; pretty rough stuff. It's bleach! Maybe it has it's place sometimes, I don't know. Some people use it topically, which would be a lot safer.
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It's not bleach!
What many drink in TAP WATER is water with bits of bleach.
Cl = chlorine
Chlorine is present in salt, and most of us eat that every day. Salt is mostly Sodium chloride.
Bleach is used to wash vegetables and even poultry is preserved with bleach!
------------ Chloride is found naturally in some vegetables, including tomatoes, celery, olives, lettuce and seaweed.
It's also found in many canned vegetables due to the salt added to help preserve them.
For example, canned peas can have as much as 510 milligrams of chloride per serving, but the same amount of fresh peas only has about 8 milligrams.
Just five olives canned in brine can provide 3,000 milligrams of chloride, and two dried figs have 170 milligrams.
Other than some dried fruits, most fruits tend to contain only small amounts of chloride.
However, some raw fruits and vegetables may have traces of chlorine on them due to being washed in a chlorine bleach solution for sanitization, according to Oklahoma State University.
They are washed in water after being sanitized, so levels should be very low.
In the United States, poultry is often chilled in a chlorine water tank to help disinfect it and limit the risk of salmonella.
The chlorine gets washed off, so any traces should be minimal.
Salted meats, cold cuts, hot dogs and other processed meats are among the highest sources of chloride in the diet.
Prawns, canned tuna, scallops, called salmon, raw oysters, mussels, lobster, crab and cod all provide significant amounts of chloride to your diet.
Ham, bacon, corned beef, organ meats, salami and sausages are also high in chloride.
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Interesting about different sources of chloride.
How about swimming in chlorinated pools? Or is that "bad" chlorine?
I think MSM and alpha lipoic acid are supposed to help bartonella because of the sulfur compounds in them. I really don't know much about them, but I suppose after a certain point you could get too much sulfur. The N-acetyl-cysteine is also supposed to have sulfur in it.
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What kills what is hard to say, specially if in plant or energetic medicine forms.
I know that taking binders such as chlorella + bear garlic (rich in sulfur) + MSM (organic sulfur) in a very regular base DURING active lyme or active candida keeps / kept my symptoms mostly low profile.
Nobody was thinking chlorella was a killer, right? I wasn't either, but without chlorella, I would not have really got rid of lyme.
I don't believe I could, as I felt too toxic to take anti microbials. Only chlorella and other binders could make my body accept killing herbs, immuno modulators etc.
In fact, chlorella (and other binders) became the central part of any treatment I did.
Recently, dr. K said that chlorella increases NK cells (natural-killer cells).
Well, as each plant has loads of chemical compounds (very different from single chemical drugs), what the plant is doing is much more than a single targeted function.
So besides the cleaning / binding to neuro toxins, it increased NK cells, why not? On top, chlorella has ALL the aminoacids (proteins) that we need.
So it's also food, nutrition.
So if that combination kills bart and candida (as chlorella is often seen as a candida suppressing algae), it's not really surprising.
I have little doubt that sulfur and other cleaning / binding agents are very important for immune function.
I'm convinced that our immune systems are depressed for several reasons - toxins being one on top of the list.
If ALA is killing I don't know, but it goes on that logic.
Garlic is seen as an antimicrobial, together with onions, both very rich in sulfur (that is one of the main chemicals for binding toxins, heavy metals included).
Is that a coincidence that antimicrobial plants / food are also cleaning our bodies? In my view, no.
Killing and cleaning come hand in hand. At least, that is what I came to believe, after fighting chronic inflammation / infections for so long.
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I tried MMS and it killed my stomach. I personally believe it is dangerous and should not be used at all and definitely not without supervision.
Those who know me know I am an "out of the box" thinker and have used alternative methods to improve my health tremendously.
MMS is not one I can go along with.
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I've thought about trying it for Lyme ... and used it externally for acne for a bit (it didn't help much for that) -- but I never actually ingested it. At the end of the day, it scared me too much.
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