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I have had it both ways - having teeth pulled and having a root canal. The pulled tooth caused the rest of the teeth to shift and it is not comfortable in my mouth now. I would technically need braces again!
The root canal tooth feels fine for now. All my older other root canal teeth seem to be fine.
So if you're choosing to pull a tooth, I would suggest having a plan for what to put in its place, like a bridge or whatever.
The problem for me is money - dental care is too expensive, don't have the bucks for anything fancy.
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Sorry to hear the extraction caused your teeth to shift and now it is not comfortable. That is frustrating! Glad to hear your root canal teeth seem fine for now though.
How long ago did you have the tooth pulled? Do you know if having that tooth removed has caused you any jaw bone loss or other problems (in addition to your teeth shifting)?
My fear is that with a root canal I guess the only way to know if it is harboring bacteria is to have it removed. So if I get one I won't necessarily know if it is causing me additional problems trying to get well from Lyme.
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All extraction will cause the teeth to move, of course. That is why either you put an implant fast, or do a partial fast.
If you put a partial, the bones will recede, as there are no more teeth there. It's a natural process. Once the bones recede, that takes months, years, your option to put an implant in the future gets harder.
No one sees the recession of bones from outside. Only the dentist will see it in X rays, as far as I know.
Mine are gone many years ago. I still have my partials, the teeth did not move a single bit because partials hold them the same way before I pulled the dead teeth.
In my opinion, if the teeth that died was BADLY infected, take it off instead of doing a root canal. Chances are that infection already went deep in the bones and gum, and that if you simply make a root canal, they will CONTINUE to spread there.
If the root canal came without big infections, by accidents, etc, then there will be less bacterial load. Chances are that this root canal will take longer time to develop bone infections (cavitations), specially if your immune system is in good shape AND that your jawbones are CLEAR of heavy metals, toxins...
If you ever had amalgams, chances are that your jaws are full of mercury, and that sooner or later, infections will grow there. It all depends on the strength of the immune system, and what kind of chelation you are doing.
This is just my opinion.
Just don't leave the space empty for long, if your budget allows, or the teeth will move. Unless it's an 'unimportant' tooth, at the corner or so...
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There is a new documentary on Netflix called "Root Cause". A must see before proceeding with any dental issues. Sorry, can't post link, you have to be a subscriber to Netflix.
In this program, medical and dental experts say no root canals, that dentists are taught in dental school that this is best option, but it's not. If you do get tooth extracted, it must be throughly cleaned, then a follow-up to clean again.
It also said to get a 360 degree x-ray to get a good look at what's going on in your mouth.
After viewing, you might only want a biological dentist to work on your teeth. Or a very good regular dentist that takes his/her time.
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Thanks for the replies. I definitely wouldn't leave the space empty if I get the tooth removed. I wouldn't want any shifting going on.
Ideally I would put an implant in if I had it removed but I don't think I can afford one. I would probably have to do a partial (I have no idea how much those cost).
I was concerned about the bone loss with a partial only because I read that the bone loss can possibly cause other dental problems (ie losing neighboring teeth which I wouldn't want).
So I was just checking to see if anyone here has had any other dental problems related to bone loss. I don't know how common it is for people to have problems related to bone loss. I just don't want to start losing other teeth because I had one tooth removed.
I definitely don't want to harbor infection. I don't know if my current tooth is infected or not. Seems like this may be a cracked tooth situation that has now escalated.
I am pretty frustrated about this because I have been telling my dentist for a year and a half that I was having discomfort in one of my back two molars (I couldn't tell exactly which tooth). They kept saying that they didn't see anything wrong and to just keep an eye on it.
Well of course now that it is bothering me most of the time they are telling me to see an endodontist and that I might need a root canal.
It should have never gotten to this point. They should have sent me to the endodontist from the beginning and if it was a crack all I would have needed was a crown instead of all of this.
Anyhow...so frustrating. Just trying to figure out the right thing to do which is never easy when in comes to us Lyme folks.
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Well, I barely had bones under the dead teeth, as they were mostly consumed by bacteria. What remained was a mushy jelly on top, under a sort of porous bone that broke easily.
I had done my first cavitation surgeries during lyme disease, so very long ago. I think I did it in 2007. I got my first partial then. So far the teeth did not move - and I think there are not many people with massive bone loss like I had. I could put my pinky finger inside the hole....
The wounds heal after a couple of weeks, and they remained so, as far as I can tell.
Later, about 2013-4, I took more 5 teeth - all my dead teeth that remained, cleaned the bones or what was left, and added one more partial.
With the costs: I suspect the cost of a whole partial with a good material and good lab is about the same as a single implant.
The advantage is that once you do it, that's it. If you lose more teeth, or if you'd like to pull off other root canals in the future, you barely pay anything else - they simply remodel your old partial to fit to the new situation.
With implants, I would never suggest titanium though. It's more heavy metals inside, titanium is not bio-friendly as medical doctors use to say.
My doctor said, after all these decades he helps patients with their dead teeth, that no single person ever tested good for titanium. It's a bad material. If you ask the body energetically, it will say NO.
I also do energetic tests, even before he told me, and I was wondering why titanium tested so bad for me...
And on top, the metal will work as an antenna. As it's an implant, you can never take it off for a rest, like partials.
The other option is zirconium. Much more bio-friendly, even if it's a metal, it behaves as ceramic. But I guess, it^s not as strong as titanium...
If you need 2 partials, it's of capital importance that both are made by the same company or with the same exact metal combinations. Why? To avoid galvanic currents circulating in your mouth.
So if you have other metals in the mouth, they must be of the exact same material as your partials.
People can actually measure the current easily, by touching one electrode to one type of metal to another type of metal inside the mouth... Sad.
Sorry to know about the tooth situation... I hope you find out what's going on. Did you try ozone injections there? Not invasive, and sometimes they do help!
I mean, that's what I would do if my tooth were still alive.
Ozone injections cost nothing, really, the price is like 2-4 dollars per shot. You only pay the fee of the practitioner!
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hi everyone
been busy with so much, but still dealing with this stupid tooth issue!
after my MIL passed on 6 months ago , now my mom did last month. so I am all over the place trying to get my life in order.
with this tooth bothering me still!
I have a real issue with the left side of my mouth. I think it all reallly came from me clenching (of course) , but alsothe fact that
my past dentists didn't fill my molars right making them too big or high, and causing a more uneven bite that
caused more pressure on the teeth back there. I think it really pays to see the best you can! too bad I have no money. this all makes me cry.
so, my tooth with the root canal/then crown, has been gettin gworse. like I said, I think from tooth repares not being done right. but still,
it shouldn't hurt the way it does. Now it is like my tooth keeps telling me, "pull me out!"
so I think I will.
BUT- I know too much! and now I want the biological dentist, but he is like and hour or 2 away and very $$$
the other dentist I call "Hollywood" is an hour and very good, but not biological. he sent me to an oral surgeon that does CERAMIC implants. I call him Hollywood because he is a really top star dr. with top prices and assistants who do all the work - but they are fabulous at it.
that is what I want- ceramic. Except, here is my new dilemma: I found out that when they put an implant it goes up into your sinus cavity!!!
or at least it will for mine because my current dentist (not Hollywood) told me my area between is small, and that "this is not uncommon"
ugh
when he put the crown on my tooth I felt it like a horrible tight squeeze up into my eye!! like someone put a clamp around everything up the left side on a pillar that goes to my eye and forehead!
and now whenever I get the slightest sinus stuffiness or allergy twinge I get that horrible full feeling with a really bad pain that is very hard to describe.
its just so nasty.
and I am broke.
and I keep giong around to all these dentisty people, I feel like its so stupid, but I want to best, right?
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I’ve been told over and over no root canals implants or amalgams if you want to get better. A friend had many taken out and then responded to Lyme treatment. I had all mine taken out and then refused 2 root canals and just had teeth pulled. I know I will need partial in future
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my lyme dr told me too, no implants, only partials.
I fully understand the connection between upper teeth roots and sinuses because that is what I'm fighting for the last 5-7 years...
During lyme, my left upper 3rd tooth went through total infection. It leaked through my left nostril, awful burning liquids, acid....
They did a root canal, of course. I left it there for a while. When lyme went dormant, i decided to pull all of my dead teeth, because I started to lose teeth, out of nothing (they died from the root, outside, they looked healthy).
When they pulled that specific tooth, the surgeon tried to clean the area, but my bones were brittle.
I felt mild pain until my eye, my left eye. He can't clean up to the left eye, so he stopped halfways anyway...
The pain remained for years, it's still not fully healed. I still have runny left nostril, on and off, i still feel I need healing in that part of my sinus. The origin of the problem was the tooth, I'm sure.
I don't think this area would stand an implant. I had no bone left, anyway.
But today, almost everything is gone. It's long since I felt the pain near my left eye. Now, it's only a tiny part that is left a bit sore (and only sometimes, not every day).
I hope you find a solution. DId you put an implant, I suppose?
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My condolences on the loss of your mother and mother in law.
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thanks Lymetoo @ my moms
I am still waiting about this tooth! I know... I have my check up next week and I am giong to see what he says. but I think if he says get it out then I don't want him to do it. he is a v good regular dentist, but knows nothing about lyme.
there is a LLdentist about an hour away who told me to get a ceramic implant only. he is dentist recommended by Dr. C (whom I am stil on waiting list for)
and there is a biological dentist north about 2 hours away I thnk - who would clean it all out the right way when pulled.
when I think about al this stuff I gett dizzy with anxiety!!! HELP! I get so ADD that I can't make a proper decision! what is wrong with me????
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