Keebler
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- The link in previous post details the growing concern and that is important. However, that is put out by a group trying to get public support for a new vaccine. All the information from this group cannot be trusted.
Do not use that website to gather information upon which you base your health care decisions.
Of course, there is hope that - maybe - just maybe - it could be "done right" this time but it seems most of the real lyme experts have not been consulted in the process.
Follow the money, first, [of course people deserve a fair profit for their work but look to see if that is the plan - and if there are conflicts of interest. Many IDSA "lyme experts" were to profit from the previous failed vaccine - and that is just wrong]
Who is to profit? How transparent is the company? Not just who are the investors but who have been the scientists on board. Each name should be reviewed along with their bodies of works as you study the science of it.
Any kind of vaccine for lyme is a very troubled proposition for various reasons. Do your homework and never rely upon any one group for detail as a market ready vaccine comes out.
It's important to know the history of the previous one which caused so much damage - they covered that up. They lied about it then (poor market sales, public "panic") and they are still lying about that now.
So trust with any new vaccine is tricky even if it's to be a different approach. I'm not saying it might not be a good thing but I am saying: be very cautious and do due diligence even as a possible consumer..
It's vital to understand fully the complex biochemistry of how Bb does what it does before agreeing to take any vaccine in the future. In the past, this complexity had not been considered in the finished product.
Sure, any new vaccine will be different yet, still, please do not rely solely on the vaccine developers or manufacturers for information. See the next post below for trusted sources.
When the new vaccine is ready for market, look to the top lyme organizations for their thoughts on it.
It's also important to know a great deal about not just lyme but other tick-borne infections that usually go along with lyme.
There still seems a false promise even in a new approach to a lyme vaccine that worries would be over with it. Just as treatment for lyme cannot begin to touch most of the other infections, a vaccine for lyme is not going to be a protection against tick bites.
LymeRix Vaccine Victim’s Stories and Related- Articles Prepared
Letters to: FDA Vaccine Advisory Committee
January 2001 . . . 20-page pdf
And, even with specifics about how any new lyme vaccine might be intended to work, there is still the consideration of what else might be in that. This is a topic that the media is trying to squash as the "pro" and "con" groups. Yet, it's really about the total ingredients, about individual reactions to such and awareness before we make any decisions.
And, while located in the U.S., these organizations are also working for those who live in Canada - and all over the world: Each of these can be fully trusted with the detail they share:
Global Lyme Alliance -
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Bartenderbonnie
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You make valid points Keebler.
While my post might be misconstrued as an advertisement for a new vaccine, this was not my intention. I posted only to educate and remind the public to diligently apply tick protection while venturing outside.
The article I posted does contain accurate information as per the alarming rates in Canada, as provided by the Canadian Communicable Disease Report. I should have posted this link instead ;
Over a 300% increase of Lyme disease cases from the years 2012 - 2017 in Ontario.
In 2017, the majority of causes occured from June - September, with July having the highest numbers.
Highest cases reported in the 5 - 14 and 50 - 69 year age groups.
Over half the cases reported, 59.8% were male.
Summer is associated with the nymph stage so increased awareness of this smaller sized tick is important.
P.S. Also, it is worthy to note, many might find fault with the under-reporting of Lyme disease numbers through government agencies.
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Keebler
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- Bonnie,
it goes without saying that the basics of infection rate - and your desire to share that detail are A-okay. Sorry that I omitted that before I started my thoughts.
In my exhaustion, I just did not have the energy to properly mention that in my goal to not have that site float around for other uses. my ability to use language is limited as is energy to make full sentences.
This is a trick that the IDSA uses - use hard facts to hook the reader -- yes, lyme infections are up . . . but then they also then add the vaccine "news" to get readers hooked ahead of the planned roll out time.
The odd thing with their finally admitted how bad it really is si that that for years, they pooh-poohed lyme -- and still do, really, when anyone wants actual treatment. It seems only when someone is ready to become a lyme vaccine hopeful buyer they will admit how bad it can be and how high the rates are.
wish I could say that better. in fact, none of the sentences here work. my neighbors' have been very loud all weekend long- filling my apt with cigarette and pot smoke from under my window - and then and left with their exhaust fan on all day. When that is running & shaking my whole apt (even when my fridge runs), I cannot function at all, really.
I still think if I try the sentences will come out okay but they don't. -
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Tincup
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You both hit the nail on the head! Read between the lines. Provided good info too!
Below is another just published Canadian study (government) showing a really high rate of infected ticks in a place where just a few years ago they insisted there was no Lyme disease.
Look at the infection rate there- 60%. And they found the Powassan Virus, as well as a couple more TBD's.
"In 2017, 102 I. scapularis were found in 10 locations around the city of Kenora; 60% were infected with B. burgdorferi, eight tested positive for A. phagocytophilum, and one for POWV.
I. scapularis ticks were found in 14 locations within the Northwestern Health Unit area, with seven locations containing B. burgdorferi-positive ticks."
The "Lyme is horrible and you'll die without a vaccine" propaganda is coming hard and fast now in the USA and is picking up in other countries too.
The fact they need this info out there, just as the CDC used the sudden prop to boost the actual 30,000 to 300,000 cases of Lyme here means a vaccine is expected to be on the market soon and will need to sell for the ding dongs to profit [MORE] from it.
It is sometimes, like with this stuff, a shameful world we live in.
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