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Had a Dr. Run a bunch of bloodtests. Feeling very weak and tired. The Nuclear Antigen test and the EBV test came back very high. Asked if I ever had Lyme. Said yes many years ago. Lab Corp Lyme tests were Neg. ( Yeah I know there not very good ) Anybody run across this with your bloodwork. Also muscle twitching and crushing fatique. Thank You in advance...
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Thanks. I take Mag. My blood tests show OK for Potassium. What alarms me is the normal range for EBV is 0 to 17.9. I'm 468
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Thanks. I take Mag. My blood tests show OK for Potassium. What alarms me is the normal range for EBV is 0 to 17.9. I'm 468
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kgg
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Lyme and EBV are buddies. That is why they asked it you ever had Lyme.
Lyme suppresses the immune system. We all are exposed to EBV. The immune system is suppressed and underreacting to pathogens. EBV rears it's ugly head.
As I wrote in another post. It used to be thought that if you take care of the Lyme, your immune system will take care of the EBV and put it in remission. I am not sure if that is the prevalent thought now or not.
Perhaps it is time to address the Lyme again?
Btw, I would encourage you to take a look at the hyperbaric oxygen treatment thread that is on this page. Many of us have found that diving keeps Lyme and viruses in check and is incredibly beneficial to our health.
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OK KGG. Seeing functional Med Dr today. My guess she will use Igenix or similar lab and not Lab Corp for testing. Thank You for the advice. Much appreciated 6t5
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Agree with kgg. Lyme causes immune suppression and immune dysregulation. High titers of EBV virus antibodies are routinely seen in Lyme patients.
Most mainstream doctors and LLMD’s will not treat elevated antibodies of EBB. They believe a depressed immune system allows these chronic, generally contained, viruses to flourish. Testing for viruses, such as EBV does not change their treatment protocols in most cases.
Check your immune system, with testing such as alterations in CD8/CD cells or IgG subclasses 1 - 4.
Lyme patients suffer with immune consequences impacting both sides of the immunological continuum. We have immunosuppression (germs gone wild) and iimmune system over-activation, leading to the myriad of complex autoimmune responses which complicate the course of the illness.
From Dr J; “ My hypothesis is that it is the immune supression which accompanies the Lyme sydrome which allows previously contained microorganisms to florish. My current theory holds that this finding of these unusual organisms in the blood may turn out to be a marker of disease severity.
They do not go away with antibiotic: because the immune system is not doing its job properly. If I am correct then the mystery bugs should not be specifically treated. An overall therapy which addresses the major immune system deactivation, perhaps Bo should be pursued instead. Chasing the incidental bugs may just take one's eye off the important ball.
When balance in the immune system is restored, hopefully the mystery bugs will disappear of their own accord- go back into the lairs where they properly belong. Of course it is just theory and may turn out to be compeletly wrong. I reserve the right to reverse this position at a later date.”
According to Functional doctors, there are many supplements to help ease your suffering. Such as;
Lauricidin/Monolaurin provide a wide spectrum against all viruses. (Start low dose, go slow)
B complex vitamins (mandatory).. They are required for proper daily detoxification.
Hepatocleanse for liver support and detoxification.
Sambucus/ Sambocul which has been shown to help shorten viral duration and decrease severity of symptoms in certain viral infections including EBV.
Vitamin C is a cofactor in the viral immune system.
Quercetin has studies showing its ability to help the body fight the early antigen of EBV.
N-Acetyl Cystine (NAC) is an antioxidant that can help with nerve function and memory.
Ribose to combat fatigue.
Probiotic blends to strengthen immune system.
Omegas ( 3,6,9, + 5&7) helps insomnia.
Magnesium helps oxygenate cells and gently cleans out gut.
Multivitamin
Also check out and read the mild-hyperbaric thread (mHBOT) on LymeNet. This gets oxygen into cells. Pathogens can’t survive in an oxygenated environment.
I would just like to add that it is wise to consult with your physician before starting any new supplement regimen. Some supplements can alter the way medication is absorbed or its effectiveness.
Also avoid die-off (the Herxheimer reaction) at all costs by slowly tirating up dose.
quote:Originally posted by 6t5frlane: Had a Dr. Run a bunch of bloodtests. Feeling very weak and tired. The Nuclear Antigen test and the EBV test came back very high. Asked if I ever had Lyme. Said yes many years ago. Lab Corp Lyme tests were Neg. ( Yeah I know there not very good ) Anybody run across this with your bloodwork. Also muscle twitching and crushing fatique. Thank You in advance...
Even though your Lyme test came back negative, it could still be worth checking again or seeing a specialist, especially with your history.
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Ocean
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To OP, It matters which EBV test you are looking at. There are multiple ones for the same virus showing whether the virus is active or dormant. Like you, my Ebv Ab VCA, IgG is high at 452.0.
My EBV Nuclear antigen is sky high at >600.
The important one to know if it is reactivated is The EBV Early Antigen Ab, IgG. This needs to be under 10. If over 10, it is considered reactivated.
I know EBV is complicated...as are many viruses as far as determining if they are active or not. Viruses stay in the body forever.
Humavir and Humic acid are helpful to knock EBV back into remission.
Ask your doc if you have a current, active EBV infection, or if this is just being carried in your body. You will need the Early Antigen antibody test to determine this.
I read somewhere that if your IgG titers are 4 x higher than the cutoff amount, then it is considered active and should be treated but I couldnt find the documentation for you, sorry.
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