Phoiph
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I was wondering could possibly make a reportedly stable, well-liked, successful kid with everything going for him drop off the radar, go nuts, and do something completely out of character.
Two things came to mind...a black box reaction to medications/anti-depressants, and/or neuro-psychiatric Lyme.
I haven't heard this reported on the news, but read in several news articles that he complained on social media of debilitating back pain, mental symptoms (e.g., brain fog) and "other ailments" related to Lyme Disease.
I wonder if his defense attorneys (or anyone) will pick up on the possibility of neuropsychiatric Lyme.
Of course nothing justifies his actions, but if true, could possibly offer an explanation and shed some light on the seriousness of this horrible disease.
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Nope sorry spoiled rich kid that knew EXACTLY what he was doing, booo hooo. This case is very off too imo.
Anyway, his "disease" won't help his defense and will not open the eyes to many that these sicknesses are real, it will only hurt us more.
He looked-up to the unabomber. Hope it was worth it to him, good luck getting treatment in the clink his life is done.
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HE DID HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF LYME DISEASE!
He posted about his medical issues on REDDIT posts
"He detailed past struggles of his health issues including Lyme Disease and severe brain fog, which he stated started when he attended the University of Pennsylvania, which caused his grades to tank."
"He complained of bladder issues, painful spondylosis, isolation issues, severe brain fog, tingling and loss of leg movements, genitourinary disorders (his friends report he could not have sex) and pelvic floor pain."
His Neurologist performed a spinal fusion and he reported it helped but friends and family report he was never the same afterwards.
His REDDIT posts expressed his frustration about how little is understood by the medical community about his condition, especially the brain fog, writing "its BRUTAL to have such a LIFE-HALTING issue. . . The people around you probably won't understand your symptoms - they certainly don't for me."
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Yes he did post about the Unibombers Manifesto. He felt he resonated with some things about society in it BUT he fully acknowledged that the man was a violent murderer and deserved to be imprisoned, rightfully so.
It appears to me there's something medically behind all of this.
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Everyone has Lyme now, I do not doubt he did but doing what he did nope. This crap is out of hand.
What you do not do is take another life. I am sick of the excuses for everything, mental illness, past abuse, grew up in a tough home, lalalalalala. You know how much I suffer? So I commit a violent crime? Murder? Would you? Negative.
He looked pretty calm, put together and confident doing what he did for someone so sick by the way. Zero sympathy.
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Of course nothing justifies what he did, and yes, it was obviously premeditated, and yes, he is responsible for his actions.
That said, Neuropsychiatric Lyme is real; anyone who has experienced Lyme Rage can tell you it turned them into a someone they didn't recognize. This happened to me, and the intensity of it was terrifying.
It is not difficult to imagine how this could take on a variety of manifestations in different people..as obsession, rage, violence, delusion, paranoia, etc.
There was a case about 10 years ago where someone with Lyme shot their pastor. I believe that person was sentenced to a mental facility, rather than prison.
It raises questions about causes of violent crimes/behavior, especially when there's a complete change in personality and nobody saw it coming.
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New York has such strict laws about being declare mentally unfit or as they used to say using the “insanity” plea. Because he has things written down it is premeditated murder and he won’t go to a mental facility.
The whole situation is horrid. And again, it shows how the insurance system in our country is broken.
I am so thankful that Lyme did not give me brain fog or rage. I can’t even imagine. And I am so glad, Phoiph, you have persevered and gotten well.
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Thank you, Hiker.
I didn't know that about New York. Maybe that's one of the reasons why they're fighting extradition from Pennsylvania...
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A few months ago I had to end a 15 yr+ friendship with someone who chose to be in a relationship and cohabitate with a known pedophile w/ a 2 time stint in state prison.
I'll never ever regret my decision, I miss her dearly esp when it's the holidays,but that chapter is closed for good.
Her excuse? He's had a hard life. Oh and an untreated case of Babesiosis. They wanted info from me on Lyme docs about a year ago. Just wanted to know if being a pedo is a symptom of chronic lyme and co-infections and we should give this animal grace?
People are praising the CEO killer and putting bounties on other CEOs of insurance companies! So that's the society we live in? Didn't work out so well for a woman in FL who made a threat on the phone for a denied claim, she's now in lockup.
Looks like Taylor Luren (spelling?) was "canceled" for praising hom too. That's probably the only or very few times I agreed with canceling culture.
What about the shooter in Butler Pennsylvania who tried to kill Trump? Can we have his medical records and see why he had a grudge?
How upset have we been with the CDC, are own personal mainstream docs that wouldn't help us or our families when we knew we were ill and it wasn't "in our heads".
Suffering unneeded medical debt and all the other collateral damage it does to us. Pain, anxiety, fear/terror, fatigue, anger we all face (or have) Do we harm and murder? NOPE.
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He looks really good for "suffering" with a back/spinal post op complication too btw. 👍
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Again, he is responsible for his actions, and I am in no way justifying or defending what he did. I find it very disturbing that some are calling him a "hero".
As someone who experienced encephalopathy and neuro-psychiatric Lyme, I am trying to shine a light on the impact of this disease and the real possibility that this played a significant role.
As you can see, Lyme is not even being considered in the media as a possible cause of his 180 degree change in personality, or his back (and other) problems, for that matter. But if he had a history of untreated Syphilis, you can bet it would be all over the news as a possible cause.
We are still in the dark ages when it comes to awareness, diagnosis, and treatment of this brutal disease.
Imagine a world where Lyme was considered a legitimate, serious disease, and was routinely screened for, diagnosed, treated early, and covered by insurance. This tragedy (and likely many others) may have never happened.
I feel that the Lyme community, especially LLMD's, should be using this opportunity to raise awareness and hopefully illicit positive change in that direction.
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quote:Originally posted by Mountainview: "...What about the shooter in Butler Pennsylvania who tried to kill Trump? Can we have his medical records and see why he had a grudge?..."
Absolutely, we should look at his medical records to look for possible causes of violent behavior.
Were prescription drugs a factor? Some reports say no "illicit" drugs in his system, some say no "illegal"drugs, others "no drugs". We may never know the truth, as it is not a connection big pharma is eager to advertise, although it could save lives.
SSRI prescriptions rose 63.5% between 2016-2022 for young people alone, and there is a known strong link to violent crime and suicide in all ages:
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Ive been on every psych drug known to man, I know the game!!!
I've had people look down on me and say that's why "I'm crazy" and permanently broken and never probably had Lyme/Cos to begin with, it, psych med "overuse"
Now with a C-PTSD diagnosis, they don't know what to do for me even those therapies aren't working.
Prior to "lyme" and psych drugs, I had more than 1 psych doctor and therapist say to my family "your daughter is a phenomenon, even in the psych field this is unexplained". What came first chicken or egg.
Maybe this is the real me, unfortunately
So, we'll never know what broke me and stole my life. Some people are just off.
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"The Real Motive" - Part 1
Informative interview with Dr. Robert Bransfield and Dr Al Miller regarding Neuropsychiatric Lyme and the UHC CEO murder case.
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Uh oh...looks like Mr Luigi could be facing the death penalty for a specific charge (probably federal)
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I just sent the interview with Dr. Bransfield (posted above) to the defense team.
Hopefully another side will be heard.
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I am totally with you Mountainview.
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terv,
Curious...have you listened to the interview?
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Sorry, I'm late on this post. I have been captured by X. But these are my thoughts while listening to the radio interview.
It is amazing to me how many people I have met that have MS that are very comfortable and stuck with their diagnosis. One is a physician. They are the most closed minded chronically ill people I have met. Sad.
So it was interesting to hear Dr. Miller report that a school shooter was a child of someone with MS, which is caused by Lyme disease. I am out of the Lyme world for the most part. So I have never heard of Dr. Miller. I am familiar with Dr. Bransfield.
I also liked that Dr. Miller talked about "Borrelia" opposed to Lyme. Saying there are 48 types of borrelia. That is more specific. I appreciate that. It is also sad to think of all of the people tested just for Borrelia burgdorferi that were missed because they had a different borrelia.
I went to a Lyme conference in RI years ago. One of the cases that was presented was a lawyer who had Lyme. It effected his mental ability. He lost his job, his family and was homeless before he got diagnosed and treated for Borrelia. An infected brain can totally change a person.
I saw first hand what a brain infection can do to a person while working as an RN in a rural area of New England. This young man was out camping and started running a fever. He became disoriented and hyperactive. He was running every where. He did not know his wife. Thankfully not violent, but definitely not controllable either.
The last I saw him he was running out the front door of the hospital with an IV tubing hanging off of his arm. The police were called and he was transferred to a bigger hospital for care. Diagnosis was encephalitis. Infected brains can change you.
Thanks for posting about this. It certainly could answer the question of why. If this is the case, it is very sad for all concerned.
I too cannot believe the people who are celebrating the death of this CEO and calling for the demise of other health care insurance CEOs. I have not been a fan of insurance for decades, but calling for their death, is a whole other level of insanity. Civility is lost in this country.
(breaking this up for easier reading for many here)
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I enjoyed your post, kgg.
To add to the wide variations of symptoms among people who are infected, It is known that different strains of borrelia can present differently. Co-infections add yet another layer.
For example, B. afzelii generally presents with skin manifestations and arthritis. B. garinii (which I had), is generally more associated with neuro involvement and encephalitis. Of course there is always an overlap of symptoms.
Having had the neuro-strain, I can relate to the young man's behavior you describe. I had agitation that was like crawling out of my skin, which I would try to run from for relief. The rage was so intense I felt rabid. To get through the worst moments, I would routinely go into the garage and smash glass recyclables on the concrete. It was all I could do to not slit my wrists with the shards. Sweep floor. Repeat.
Sometimes I think that being homebound is the only thing that kept me out of a mental hospital, or worse.
So for me, it is not a stretch at all to imagine that borrelia could warp a normal person's mind in this horrible way. If I hadn't experienced the intensity of it myself, I may not have believed it either.
Is he still responsible? 100%. Should the possibility of neuro-Lyme be investigated in his defense and considered in sentencing? Absolutely.
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Agree, Phoiph. He is still responsible.
I am so sorry that you personally dealt with this. So hard. But I am so happy that you found mHBO!!!
Interesting about B. afzelii generally presenting with skin manifestations and arthritis. That is exactly what my, now adult son, deals with. Need to look into this more.
Thanks!
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Kgg,
Thank you, me too!
B.afzelii is reportedly not found in US, only Europe and Asia.
They used to say the same about B. garinii, but then found it in Atlantic coastal seabirds and more recently in rodents in Georgia. (I had never been to Europe when I contracted it on Block Island, RI.)
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It makes sense that the European strains are here, since birds fly around the world. Thanks, kgg and Phoiph, for the update on them.
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