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TesMes
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Today I purchased the following:

Soloray brand
Magnesium Asporotate TM
A highly advanced magnesium supplement in a special herb base.

It has the following ingredients:
Magnesium (as Magnesium Aspartate, Magnesium Citrate, Magnesium Orotate).
Other ingredients:
Gelatin (capsule), magnesium stearate, herb base of parsley leaf, alfalfa leaf, and rice flour.

Now, I'm reading all magnesiums are not the same.

This would be the FIRST supplement I've taken besides probiotics and want to make sure I should actually do this. Is it the right one?

Thank you to the nutritional gurus!


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Tes,
You and I seem to be on the same
page today!

I am ordering Mag-Tab SR online as we speak. It is recommended in Dr
B's guidelines and from all that I have
read it is the best magnesium product.
It is sustained release.

Good luck,
Lynn


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TesMes
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Where will you order this from? Online pharmacy?

And are you ordering the same type I ordered? I just don't want to take the wrong kind.

Thanks!


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quote:
Originally posted by TesMes:
Where will you order this from? Online pharmacy?

And are you ordering the same type I ordered? I just don't want to take the wrong kind.

Thanks!


I went to the Walmart store because the manufacture site said Wal-mart carries it.
They did not have it but said they could order it. I decided to do it online since
it would come right to the house that way.

Just do a google search for Mag-Tab SR
and you should get a bunch of sites
to choose from.

Not sure about posting policies here for
stores.

Good lluck
Lynn


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TesMes
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Thanks, I'll check it out. I was thinking that magnesium pills were not all the same. I don't know though, any other thoughts? Is my Magnesium the right kind.

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One thing to remember with mag-sr is that it is sustained release, so ask your llmd if it is O.K. to take if you are on a med that can't be taken with magnesium like Doxy, or zithromax or other meds.
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TesMes,

From the ingredients, your brand of magnesium sounds like one to keep your bowels moving and is not meant to stay in your body for any length of time.

Check out Mag Tab-SR, magnesium glycinate, and magnesium chloride.

This web site also has some pretty good information about the different forms of magnesium: http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html. This site talks about all the forms you mentioned -- perhaps with the exception of magnesium orotate. The site doesn't talk about Lyme directly but you will recognize a lot of the symptoms he talks about.

This forum also has some good information about magnesium, just run a search for all posts by Marnie. The link to the Search page is located at the top of the screen under the Post Reply link.

Linda

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quote:
Originally posted by gwen37:
One thing to remember with mag-sr is that it is sustained release, so ask your llmd if it is O.K. to take if you are on a med that can't be taken with magnesium like Doxy, or zithromax or other meds.

Hi Gwen,
Thanks for bringing this up. I am new
to the whole thing and have not even
started treatment yet. I didn't know
that some meds couldn't be taken
with magnesium. Good point!
Thanks,
Lynn


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after reading an extensive study of magnesium a year or two ago, the final conclusion was that one of the best magnesiums, if you have to pick one, would by glycinate. That is what I take. Metagenics Lab produces a very high quality.

noodlydoo


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quote:
Originally posted by gwen37:
One thing to remember with mag-sr is that it is sustained release, so ask your llmd if it is O.K. to take if you are on a med that can't be taken with magnesium like Doxy, or zithromax or other meds.

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This is a good point because I think the magnesium binds to biaxin, but I don't know that that is true, just something I heard. Hmmmmmm . . . this is tough to figure out!


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quote:
Originally posted by TesMes:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by gwen37:
[b]One thing to remember with mag-sr is that it is sustained release, so ask your llmd if it is O.K. to take if you are on a med that can't be taken with magnesium like Doxy, or zithromax or other meds.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Where did you find that magnesium binds with biaxin? Does it bind with other abx dynabac?


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I take a Magnesium product called NaturalCalm. It is mixed in very hot tap water and sipped slowly as a "tea".
I buy it at my chiro's office.
The taste takes getting used to, but boy, does it work!

Also, regarding abx and Mag:
Any of the "Quinolone" abx, such as Cipro, Levaquin, etc recommend spacing apart from Mag. The only reason I know is because I've taken them before.


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Morning tree-

Our llmd has us take our mag far away from our tetra/biaxin.( 2-3 hours)

They bind in the stomach/gut if you take them close together. I don't believe there is a problem once the abx is absorbed. So, if you take Biaxin XL in the am you can take your mag at 2 hours intervals after 3 hours.

We've never used the slow release mag because we take tetra/Biaxin. The binding issue is for doxy too. I would assume it would hold true for other abx in the same family.

Calcium has the same binding issues with the tretra family of abx.

Mel


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I take four Mag-Tab SR tablets every day.

I've also heard that it should be taken hour(s) before or after the abx.

I'm on Zithromax right now which I take first thing I wake up.

Then ~2hours later I take 2 Mags. And then another 2 Mags in the afternoon. (Btw, I weigh 190lbs.)

How many Mag-Tab SR do you guys take?

Michael

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I take 2 Mag sr in the AM and two in the PM.... I take it 2 hrs from abx.

robi


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Magnesium tablets cured my high blood pressure and keep my pain at a managable level

I cant take slow release because of my thyroid meds and antibiotics. For a long time I took glycinate and it worked fine. (Magnesium and calcium can bind with thyroid meds and keep them from being absorbed if taken too close together)

For the past 2 months I have switched to magnesium citrate, for lower costs, and my bp and pain are still fine. Im going to continue with the cheaper stuff since the proof is in the pudding.

I take 1200mgs per day which can cause some major potty problems but even with the abx Im ok. I watch my carbs very carefully and eat a lot of nuts which I think helps balance the magnesium. One gives you the runs and the other binds you up. Seems like a good match.


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quote:
Originally posted by robi:
I take 2 Mag sr in the AM and two in the PM.... I take it 2 hrs from abx.

robi


If it's slow release(SR) then it doesn't matter if you take it two hours away from your abx because it's releasing mg for 12 hours. I was wondering if it's too small of a dose over time to affect your abx or not.


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quote:
Originally posted by Lenny777:
If it's slow release(SR) then it doesn't matter if you take it two hours away from your abx because it's releasing mg for 12 hours. I was wondering if it's too small of a dose over time to affect your abx or not.

Well, it should matter if you take the Mag AFTER the abx. At this point the abx has been absorbed, and it should be safe to take the Mag.

Of course, if you take abx 3-4 times a day, then it's a problem. But if you only take abx once or twice a day, it's easy to just take the Mag 1-2h after you take the abx.

As a sidenote. Yes, the Mag may take 12h to get absorbed. But I'm pretty sure the absorption rate is much higher during hour 1 and 2 and is much smaller in hours 11 and 12.

In other words, if you take Mags at say 10am in the morning and then you take your second abx dose at 8pm, I doubt the remaining Mag will have much impact since there's so little left.

Besides, even if you were to take abx with Mag-Tab SR, I don't think it's such a big issue since the isn't the much "free" Mag in your stomach. Remember, it's Slow Release.

The above is just my uneducated guesses how Mag may/may not affect absorption of abx. And I'm not a doctor and not an authority on this subject.

Michael


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I noticed a difference with mag and malic acid. I have cut down but was taking 6 tabs twice a day.

Lymiecanuck

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I have found over time that both the Mag Asporotate blocks my autonomic nervous sytem
when being muscle tested for it. It never worked, no matter when. The identical happened with the Mag Tab SR - it has additives that just are not for everybody. I always objected to the coloring agent in it! Why?

I ended up taking Magnesium citrate or glycinate, but always in combination with Citramin II from Thorne, with meals, 2-3 caps mag - 1 cap Citramin.

Not all are for everybody. If you want to get the best, I would suggest to get muscle tested. Many practitioners do it. I have learned it myself and can muscle test my husband and he can test me. There is often a clear indication that what is good today, may not test well a week from now after taking it for a while. And after a break, it may test good again at a later time. So the body does get enough of certain substances at times and has no need for it for a while. You will be amazed what works and doesn't work for the individual.
What's good for one may not be good for another.

Read the label for additives and fillers. I definitely do not like the Yellow #5 in the Mag Tab SR. Imagine you take that stuff every day for years -- how much of that color you accumulate in your system adding to your toxic level?

I also watch out for Titanium dioxide in many of the available products. Check your toothpaste! Titanium and psoriasis - watch out. Any additives with just a letter and number, i.e. E 171, check it out.

These things that you take day in and day out really should be as "clean" as possible.

Just my two cents on it.


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Marnies......... Ten Points Regarding Mg and Lyme Disease
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They are not all created equal.

Citrates INactivate PFK, an enzyme that Bb is dependent on.

(Insulin ACTIVATES it, so avoid sugar "rushes" which trigger insulin.) Sugars, SIMPLE ones, are bad.Complex carbs. do not cause an insulin spike.

Look for a product called Alka Max by Tri Medica. Look closely at the ingredients. Be SURE, from a K (potassium) standpoint, that this is okay to take.If your K level is already high...don't take it! Get your electrolytes checked first. Remember, Mg is an INTRACELLULAR mineral. Testing for it is notoriously inaccurate.

If you "herx" from this...well, good old ASA seems to help OR there is also activated charcoal to absorb the toxins. Follow the bottle directions carefully...as it can absorb things it shouldn't. Timing is critical.

Some Mg compounds will cause more harm than good from a neuro standpoint. Mg gutamate is one. Think: MSG. The glutamates are neuro stimulators. "Chinese restaurant syndrome". I don't have access to my files right now (using a different computer), but seems to me aspartate is another not-so-good one according to George Eby.

This man has a huge Mg website. He was the developer of zinc lozenges. Smart man!


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