LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » My first ART appt.

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: My first ART appt.
SunRa
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 3559

Icon 6 posted      Profile for SunRa     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
hey everyone!

First, I want to express my deepest gratitude to GiGi for all her informative posts and for leading me to an excellent ART practitioner!

I've been on abx for almost 7 mos and have only been getting worse - I have not been in a good state for quite a while. My instincts have been telling me there's something else there that needs to be addressed as well as the Lyme. (Actually quite a few things as I found out.....)

oh gosh, where to begin?!?!

There's no way I could ever write down all that I experienced in the many hours I spent with this healer, but I will say I'm absolutely fascinated and inspired by all this!

After addressing a few important blockages, he found many things I didn't know I had.
One of the reasons I haven't responded to abx is because I have Babesia. I had suspected this, but never tested positive on blood tests.

I also have some heavy metals which are creating a comfortable environment for the bacteria and viruses. And I have NO amalgam fillings and never ate much fish! The metals that showed up - Nickel and Platinum -are mainly dental ones from the braces I had years ago and from a retainer..nevertheless, they are messing with me bigtime and he's putting me on a chlorella detox to help clear them out.

Like everyone else, I also have my share of parasites and viruses...also creating a nice comfy living environment for the lyme.

I also tested positive for allergies to soy, corn, wheat, and one i am not happy about - chocolate...GRRR There are probably more, but these are the main ones. I can deal with the others, but like most women, I need my chocolate! He says that usually once you get rid of the main problems, the food allergies will fade too. whew!

He used Direct Resonance Testing to find out exactly where the Lyme is hiding and for me, it seems to be everywhere - my brain, liver, heart, kidneys, etc geez.....

After figuring out what my major and minor problems were, he was able to come up with a gentle, natural protocol that works with my body. I havent figured it all out yet, but I'll most likely use his protocol as well as some abx.

He told me more about what's going on in my body in one day that would only take years and more expensive (and less accurate) testing to find. Meanwhile, I'd probably be getting sicker and sicker!

I learned that another essential aspect to healing is addressing all unresolved emotional issues. Using ART he was able to pinpoint these issues and using psycho-neurobiology and family systems therapy, we worked through them. Through muscle testing he was even able to tell I had unresolved issues with an ex-boyfriend (without me ever saying anything!)

I also encourage everyone to look up Bert Hellinger's work on family systems therapy. Setting up these family constellations was so intense, I was really blown away by it! There are so many things going on with each one of us that need to be addressed in order to truly heal...things we have chosen to stay blind to, or things that we don't even know about.

I know this still won't be easy and it will take lots of time and patience in order to get back to a "normal" life, but at least I now know what I need to address. ART elimates having to guess about what to do next...now I feel like I have a good, solid plan! I'm very positive about all this and wanted to share it with you all.

~ I wish you all peace, love, and wellness ~

------------------
"When the world looks like ruin and rubble and
Hardship, heartache and trouble
seem like all you've ever known
You've got to remember the power of flowing water to smooth the stone."

~ Joules Graves


Posts: 1563 | From MA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Nancy-OH
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 3567

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Nancy-OH     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Sounds fascinating.

I'm so happy for you!

Can I just ask one question? What does ART stand for?

Thanks,
Nancy


Posts: 963 | From N. Olmsted, OH USA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Li1dreamer625
Unregistered


Icon 1 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thanks for sharing this SunRa!

I am also seeing an ART practicioner/Biodentist that Gigi recommended on Monday.

After your post - I am now even more excited about it!

It's great to hear how well it went for you and how it covered so many areas in a short amount of time.

The more I learn, the more everything GiGi has pointed out - makes complete sense. I feel really ready to take this next, very important, step.

I will let you all know how it goes.

@}`-,-- tami


IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aaronkatie
Unregistered


Icon 1 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi Sunra!!!

So good to hear about your appointment though not so good to hear about all your dx's!!!

I'm glad you have a plan of attack though. But i guess you wanted to attack that doc when he said you were allergic to chocolate huh?

I also had the ART testing and i think i'm only allowed to have rice and soy - everything else I'm allergic to!!!

I can not wait to hear about your subsequent(is that the right word??) visits and how you do in the future!!

Which natural herbs are you going to be taking? Isn't it awesome how you are tested for them too? Gigi Rocks, huh?

Good luck Sunra, I'm so happy that you have some hope back and something to look forward to (a way to get better that is).

Keep us updated!
betsy


IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
SunRa
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 3559

Icon 7 posted      Profile for SunRa     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Nancy - we registered the same time and have the exact same # of posts! (well we DID)...I'm winning now

ART = Autonomic Response Testing

If you do a search with ART and GiGi's name, you find tons of posts on it.

Li1dreamer - I'm so happy I took this step too, good luck with your appt!!

aaronkatie - hi, sorry I haven't been around much lately...how are you doing??? I've thought about you a lot and I hope you are feeling a bit better!

I probably won't go back to him for a while since he's far from me, but I think we'll communicate over the phone for right now. We covered as much as he would usually do in a few appts in just one day, so i'm set for a bit!

He wrote up a protocol for me to start on, but I haven't gotten all the products yet. I don't have it with me, but here's what I can remember: chlorella and something else for the metals, cinchona bark (quinine) for the babesia, mullein leaf, heavy duty probiotics, milk thistle (i think for my liver fluke "friends"), and some other things I can't remember! I'll probably do the mepron as well.

just out of curiosity, do you know your blood type? I've been really interested in Peter D'Adamo's theories, and I happen to be allergic to some things on my "bad" list for B's but I'm surprisingly ok with dairy, which only B's are supposed to have. Most people can't tolerate soy...but maybe you're A blood? just wondering!


Posts: 1563 | From MA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Melanie Reber
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 3707

Icon 10 posted      Profile for Melanie Reber   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi SunRa!

I makes me smile to read your encourageing words...I too am so happy that you seam to be moving in the right direction now.

I do hope that this new protocol will do wonders for you.

Love, Melanie

------------------
*COLORADO SUPPORT SYSTEM*
[email protected]


Posts: 7052 | From Colorado | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymelight
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 3600

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymelight     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
SunRa, glad to hear of your positive ART experience. What does of chlorella are you taking per day? Are you taking Alpha Liopic acid simultaneously?

Many of us had orthodontics and were unaware of the associated metals issues. Kinda scary, eh?


Posts: 268 | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
badkitti30043
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 2889

Icon 1 posted      Profile for badkitti30043     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hey SunRa

It sounds wonderful!!

Does Insurance cover this type of treatment usually??I sure hope so, it could be really benificial to see one ..

It really sounds like you have made a great choice SunRa and I am very happy you are so excited , I do believe we have to know and address all the stuff thats going on too. It all seems linked together to keep us not well..

GiGi.. Sunra.. or anyone else who knows of
an ART Practitioner in GA , I would really love to know that info... Please either email me or just post it if you see this.I would so appreciate it, Thanks..

Sandi

[This message has been edited by badkitti30043 (edited 17 August 2003).]


Posts: 664 | From Atlanta Ga. | Registered: Aug 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aaronkatie
Unregistered


Icon 1 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Sweet Sunra,
Leave it to you to worry about how i'm feeling!!! Same old stuff with me but maybe i'm just impatient!!

Its nice that you and the doc scheduled the appt for as long as you could and realized you couldn't just come back whenever so he did so much with you. Sounds very very productive. I'm so happy for you.

His protocol sounds really good, I also drink the chlorella (always spell wrong) and some cilantro water with herbs for babesia - then lyme, then bartonella then erlichia then epstein barr, chronic mono along with metal toxicity, systemic candida, and all the others you mentioned!

The blood type thing is interesting, I think but wouldn't quote me on this that it is B+ for both me and the kids - so does that make sense for the milk allergies??

I feel so bad - i'm allergic to EVERYTHING, then between the two of them they are allergic to everything.

Well sweet sunra it is 4 am and i'm a bit sleepy so i'll end for now, i'm sooo happy for you!!! Please take care of you and listen to the new doc!!
love,
betsy


IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
SunRa
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 3559

Icon 7 posted      Profile for SunRa     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Melanie thanks for the well wishes!

Lymelight I haven't gotten it yet, but I think he wants me to take 1 tbl. 3X/day...not sure how much that is in terms of grams or mgs. He didn't say to take ALA with it, but I take fish oil that has ALA in it...is that beneficial with the chlorella?

sandi Unfortunately insurance doesn't cover this! I haven't really thought about how I'm gonna pay for all this yet, but I'm trying not to worry about that part yet I don't know of any in GA, but I'm sure there is someone around you. You may want to email GiGi.

betsy sounds like you have a lot to address as well! have you noticed a difference taking the chlorella and cilantro? You're taking abx as well as the herbs right? does it feel like too much to handle? haha, sorry for all the questions...I'm just trying to decide if I should take a break from the abx and just do his protocol for a bit, or if I should stay on the abx as well. I may do the mepron treatment soon too - but I proabbly shouldnt start all these new things at once. hmmm, now I'm just thinking out loud.

sorry you and your kids are allergic to everything! But my ART dr says those allergies should fade once the major problems are addressed....so I hope they eventually go away for you!

As far as the bloodtype stuff goes, I'm B too and we're supposed to have the most balanced diet including meat and dairy...in fact we're the only blood type that needs dairy. As far as B's who are allergic to it, he found once they fixed the major problems in their diets, they were able to tolerate the dairy.

I wish I were A though b/c I've been a vegetarian for years then vegan...even though I've been eating well for a vegan and getting all my protein, I never felt well on it (and B's are supposedly very susceptible to nervous system disorders when they don't follow the diet). I just recently started eating some dairy and fish and I think my body loves it.

ok, now that I've written you a novel...


* * * sweet dreams everyone * * *


Posts: 1563 | From MA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aaronkatie
Unregistered


Icon 1 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Sunra,
Wow, sounds like you were put thru the ringer too, though!! I havent started the cilantro and chlorella yet - i go to my llmd tomorrow and will discuss with him - i'll probably start it tomorrow night. He will keep me on the mepron/zith combo if i want to be kept on it. But I want to add Iv claforan for bartonella and i doubt he'll do that so well see.

The allergies should fade with the lyme treatment, hopefully, but i'll believe it when i see it.


I don't mind eating for my blood type, mepron and zith and eating fat and veggies are pretty much all i can eat!!!

Anyway, its like 1:40 in the morning and i'm still asleep so i'll end here - take care Sunra- glad to know you are in one piece like ali and myself you know?

Take care and keep up with ART!

Betsy


IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259

Icon 1 posted      Profile for GiGi         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I have just a minute before I go on a long trip.

So there be no misunderstanding, even though SunRa tested for doing a certain type of abx along with all the other remedies/herbs, etc., that does not mean that the same thing will apply to every person. Another person might not test well for any of the products singly or in combination and therefore there is no use to take them because they will not be effective and just stress the body and keep one from healing.

Following ART testing, one should only take the medications and remedies that were tested on the body in the combination they were tested. If SunRa went into a Yin stat(healing state) with the total remedies tested together, that will work for her. It will work for a certain length of time and possibly not longer. So one should be tested for the meds at least every 4-6 weeks.
And of course stop them right away or contact the ART practitioner when you don't feel well when taking them. There is no such thing as a gigantic herx as many of you describe. You may have a brief 1-2 day "healing crisis", which you could have even following a homeopathic remedy. But no such "killing" episodes or "rage" situations, or "head pressure" that you feel you should go to a hospital, as we have heard about on this board. These things just do not happen when the medications are tested with ART - if it tests well - your body is in agreement and will utilize the remedy for healing.

Further, I want to point out, that without a good complete protein cover, people have trouble healing. Most people can't do it on a veggie diet, because it is so difficult to put a complete protein together. Some tribes somewhere in some corner of the world can. As my doctor told me many times, he has not seen it happen among any of his patients. Protein is an absolute must.
I averaged 4 eggs a day and my cholesterol dropped 20 points in one months, for those people that still believe in the cholesterol myth.

So going on an ART protocol and thinking that this might work for the next couple of years does not work. Anytime the intake of a remedy causes organs to work harder, eventually the body wants this remedy no longer and turns "allergic". That's why it should be tested frequently. And that's one reason why so many on antibiotics or any other remedy start to go on standstill; you make no progress. Remedies need to be changed right along as your body changes. ART testing will give the proper answer and there is no guessing.

I wish all of you could find access to ART (autonomic response testing). ART II, which is covers the Direct Resonance Testing, is a must. That way you can find out exactly where the microorganisms are sitting, where the metals are sitting - inside the cells!
No other method of muscle testing via a machine or manual will reveal that. With ART you will know exactly what is hiding inside the cells as well as outside (intracellularly and extracellularly). The metals may have left a long time from the extracellular space, but are sitting still inside the cells and are slowly killing you.
The same for all the Lyme bugs, parasites, viruses, etc.

Til some other day. Get well.

I noticed someone asked for one in Georgia. Best way - ask in your health food store or wellness clinics. I am ready to hop to the airport now.

Hope all of you feel a ton better when I come back.


Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259

Icon 1 posted      Profile for GiGi         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
And one more thing:

No one can get well without clearing unresolved emotional conflicts. No one. That's most likely one of the reasons we got sick in the first place. I am saying that with 100% certainty. It's a major part of healing - and there is no way around it. The method of doing that may differ, but it needs to be addressed as much or more than metals or anything else. Lyme is only the straw that broke the camel's back. A lot went before that. Just give think about it for a while when you have a quiet hour. We are not aware of many of these conflicts that make us sick in the long run.
I am glad, SunRa, that you feel the same way.
and I am even more glad that ART takes care of these conflicts in such a beautiful and brief way. It takes minutes rather than hours.

We need to heal on all levels before we can really be well. No one of all the seriously ill patients that I have met have been able to get well without addressing the unresolved emotional conflicts. (in ART it is called Psychokinesiology or short PK and works like a charm). You might find a broader explanation on mercola.com or search ART on the internet.

Take care.


Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
SunRa
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 3559

Icon 7 posted      Profile for SunRa     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
yeah, I should have mentioned that - after trying many different remedies, the ART dr finally found the combination that works for me when I went into a deep Yin healing state. But like all medicines, herbs, etc., what may work for me won't necessarily work for another.

GiGi - thanks for reminding me that I have to be tested frequently...since I can't go to NJ very often, I'm looking into another ART dr closer who will work with me on Vern's suggestions...although I can't find anyone who does ART II. I wish he were closer!!

Again, I strongly encourage everyone to do this - I'm really blown away by it all!

------------------
"When the world looks like ruin and rubble and
Hardship, heartache and trouble
seem like all you've ever known
You've got to remember the power of flowing water to smooth the stone."

~ Joules Graves


Posts: 1563 | From MA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Health
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 6034

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Health     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Sunra,

Dont know if you are still on lymenet, but wanted to ask you... how this ART testing has been for you?

I am in Canada, and would like to see if there are any in my area, which would be Vancouver, BC.

Is your ART practioner a MD, or a ND?

thanks,

Trish


Posts: 1250 | From Canada | Registered: Aug 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code� is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.