How are you feeling? Thanks for this bit of info. The translation is a bit difficult, but I get the point.

I feel sad that people have died, and also sad that the treatment/experiment failed.

Thank God some who went benefitted from the ICHT and did not die as well. To those not helped, keep up the fight!

I know they benefited now...but who knows what it did to their dna etc...obviously the dr. himself didn't know what he was actually doing....

wonder what the effects 2, 5 or 10 years from now will be on the cells of these people. thee's just no documentation to long term effects...

Government has good properties and bad especially our's For the people by the people, there lies are problem VOTE your concience.

If people want to go to try alternitives they should be aloud but they should be informed of all good and bad sides of treatment and it shouldnt be the the first thing they try but it should be there choice.

If the government really cared ? They just want to tax or levi money's for extra spending. Off tobacocco,gas,home owners,etc. They our people we elect keep spending more more more and more. H@ll they cant even control spending so what do people think? I sure want daddy(GOV) to tell me what to do Yeah right wake up.

We as individuals are responsible for our actions not you,her,him,they. Us we me I are responsible. Not trying to offend anyone just throwing in my two cents.

Our government has gone from self sustainable with God to depending on everything but God and ourself. When someone needs help! help if its in your power to,even kind words are appreciated eventualy.

Just my thought or rant I guess.

Everybody get well thats my prayer for here.

ps personaly the verdict isnt in on these treaments

However, to prosecute the Dr for murder is a step too far. These people were on the edge when they arrived...death was there for them at any moment.

The unfortunate death of the Young Doctor was just that, unfortunate. He was young and intelligent, obviously of a free mind and will...however, the fact that he died due to an electrolite insufficiency.....I can't see someone being thrown in Prison for That either. Sued yes,....but.....

Buying meds in Canada as opposed to the USA. The Mayor of Springfield Missouri and his family was interviwed about purchasing his son's insulin from Canada.

The Mayor said he could save his city with the police & teachers they had to lay off because of budget cut's and gain 49 Million dollars by city workers having the choice to purchase Canadian drug's instead of the U.S.

The FDA argues that they can not insure the safety of the drugs. That the only way they can even agree with purchasing the drug's is to walk into the store across the border. Not by mail order.

A FDA Commissioner that was also interviewed said buying these drugs on line are dangerous, could kill you, could be outdated, poison you, ect ect......

He also said that buying them in this manner is ILLEGAL and what the Mayor is doing is illegal.

He said that with all the buying of these meds across the border is cutting money from the pharmaceutical companies and in turn cut's down on research and cures.

When he was point blank asked how many reported deaths, injury or illness has been reported from people purchasing these drugs......He couldn't answer and wouldn't answer.

He mostly said it is to hard to cauge when people seek medical help outside the U.S.

You can log on to abcnews.com and click on nightline and get more info on tonights story.

So with all this said......All of us on this board that are buying Canada meds are taking a calculated risk at being poisoned, death, injury of what kind? Who knows?

With all this said we are also breaking the law by buying these, right?

With all this said WE are helping the pharmaceutical's loose money which means we are also standing in the way of research & cure, right?

It was to hard for him to commit to a number as to how many have died or injured as a result of these meds because these were already sick people and there is no concrete proof of the drugs being dangerous or dealth as a result, right?

It was also said these were old or very sick people or desperate people or under income people that mainly purchase these drugs. You think?

As many of you know, you buy these drugs from Canada.

1)Do you feel endangered?
2)Do you feel you are getting equal results fom your Canadian meds?
3)Do you feel it is worth your money?
4)Do you feel the story is true in it's entirety?
5)Do you feel you are taking a risk to get better?
6)Do you know who is filling your order behind the screen or insuring the safety of it? Could they be an X con?

1)ICHT for me two times in one year.
2)Off all meds since June 2003.
3)It was worth every penny I spent.
4)Each treatment we seek has a good and bad story.
5)We all take a risk to get better ICHT, chemo, Canadian drugs, long term abx( anyone yet know those LONG term effects of abx yet?).
6)Yes I knew he was in prison for money he falsely took from Ins.

The FDA says there is no sure way of knowing what you are getting from Canada but yet you keep on doing it right?

Just food for thought everyone.

Wishing wellness to EVERYONE however you find it.

Kathy

It is an INDIVIDUAL choice. I , did not wish to risk my life. For my sake and the sake of my children. For others, who are sicker, the risk is easier. oh, and as a nurse, I wouldn't get meds from an illegal source either..but that's just ME> I"m lucky to have a choice in the matter.

Saying a prayer that all works out well.

Lisa

As tragic as the deaths are, I dont think anyone arrived believing that there were no risks involved. As far as I'm concerned, it was pioneering work, and there are people that have their lives back because of it.

We all lost today.

What hype, put out by our drug companies.

Why should we in the USA shoulder the total costs of developing these drugs only to allow them to be sold in other countries for so MUCH LESS????

I have been and will continue to buy my non-generic, and/or my most expensive drugs from Canada...

Even with that savings, I, routinely, am SITLL spending upwards a monthly drug costs of near and sometimes over $1,000.00 PER MONTH.

That is EVEN with me getting 2 of my prescription directily from the free meds programs.

I would encourge each and everyone of you to (obviously, the ones who have a small co-pay and get the ins. to pay for the rest of theirs, don't or won't need too) write your Representatives and encourge them to NOT listen to the drug lobbyists and listen to the folks who would surely be doing without these drugs if we could not get them from Canada.

I cannot afford to be on all my prescriptions if I didn't order mine from www.realfastdrugstore.com

Kathy, what do you want me to do? Not, take my drugs...if it were your way I would not be able to get all of mine...

Try walking in the shoes of those of us who do NOT have insurance and do NOT have a choice in this matter but, to order our expensive drugs from CANADA!!!!

Please, please, folks write in support of us being able to continue to order them from CANADA!!!

Rosemary

You all raised excellent points, and I believe that when you are sick enough, you will try something if NOTHING is working...

So, is ICHT for everyone? Probably not. I know people with lyme who are so functional they would not wish to loose something they have. But for the others, who have no hope for a future, this is a viable option.

More. http://www.health-and-medical.com /medical_school/medical_billing_school/medical_billing_school_msg32233/medical_billing_school_msg32233.shtml

His side http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/Lyme/page280.html http://www.lymealliance.org/newsletter/novdec2002/talejames.php
Thats only fair

ICHT not legal in the U.S. but yet you can have it done in another country and not agreeded upon as a method of treating this illness by many here is what I was comparing to the ilegal use of Candian drugs and how people seek help no matter what when they are ill to help them. Whether it is right wrong or indifferent.

We do what we have to, to survive.

This Mayor is trying his hardest to change minds and argue the point with the FDA or who ever that the Candidan drugs are the same despite the FDA's continued fighting against the use of them.

His fight is, look at how many people DO need them....How many people can not afford U.S. drugs....How many people DO NOT have insurance and why we are forced to do this.

Here is a Mayor, that very well has the money & insurance and states he would NEVER put his child in danger if this was not in fact the same drug's as we receive in the U.S.

He has choosen a wide spread economic problem in the U.S. that is right there in HIS home and see's a problem that effects all that have diseases. He WANTS to do something about it. God Bless Him for his efforts.

Rose, I have walked in your shoes. I'm not the one saying what you are doing is wrong or anyone else for that matter. The FDA is.

I agree with anyone to do what ever you must do to survive. If anyone understands stands that without an argument it is me.

I was pointing out ICHT or Candian drugs something can be said about both, a story can be written about it, people can disagree about it but the bottom line is......

Did it do, what you needed it to do for you.

If it did, then what right does someone have to distroy the good of it. It is THEIR opinon. That dosen't mean it dosen't work or that you should be stopped from doing it.

It dosen't mean one newspaper article, or TV show is completly right in what they are telling the public.

If I had to have drugs from Canada right now, darn tootin I would do it. Even with the story I watched last night with the FDA saying I risk death by doing it.

You guy's know the FDA is not totaly right in what was in that show last night. You take the drug's, you see you are ok, you see the money you save.

And Rose is right, why should we shoulder the cost of the drug's only to send them off to foregin countries.

I'm with you guy's, not against you.

The missed point of this was............

All of our endevors to heal ourselves or just to survive is mostly done on our own. We do not have the backing of our very own Government to help us.

So if ICHT helps or Rife or Canadian drugs, or pulling your teeth or ART or oils, or colonics or ABX or Samento did it for you than HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At least something worked for you when so many others are still ill and trying to find their way.

None of these methods should be condemned by any of us. They all have legal issues, even antibiotics.

Notice on all our natural resources they have disclaimers on the bottle that reads "As a dietary supplement" or "Need in human nutrition not established" or "is not known to cure any known illness".

Yep, they do this so they are not held liable for a death and it is not FDA
approved for any illness because it is not a
pharmaceutical drug that a major drug company can endorse or make money off of. They do not lay claim to any benefits so neither the person using it can sue or the FDA or whoever.

I mearly showed you with what was on TV last night.......Even YOUR drugs from Canada have a legal issue. Not just ICHT.

Wishing you all wellness, however you find it.

Thanks!

How do we make this page smaller?

I have to arrow back and forth to read evrything.

Or did I mess up my settings somehow?

To bad we couldnt come up with a spirochete that would eat it own kind.

I am improved with my hbo chamber but I only use it about twice a week so as not to affect my vision too much as my vision is sensitive that way. Were I using it 4-5 times a week I think I'd be pretty content. As it is, I haven't had a headache since I started (except once on vacation), and other things are improved BUT I am still fatigued, definitely NOT my old self in any way, and still have fibro and candida and I"m sure lyme.

Thus this is a step in the right direction but more and more I have come to the conclusion to do overall therapies that are in a sense metabolic or generalized. So I'm getting an ozone sauna as when I tried someone elses four times I liked the effect. I like the idea of ozone as it kills candida too. And I tolerated it well. And i've talked to people who've used it. If I just keep doing hbo forever I will hold these gains but not get rid of lyme.

My FIR sauna or rather bulb sauna was a very intense protocol! I backed off a lot per Dr Wilson's instructions.

Out of curiosity I added glutathione chasers (just started this week) to my vitamin mineral IV, adn will do that weekly, along with ordering phoschol. The latter really appeals to me so strongly, intuitively, because I naturally tend to a high fat high protein diet and do most of the diet recommended by her anyway. And I've read the literature on phoschol and the liver and it makes sense. So I'll get my doc to order that. I luv my doc! :-)

The other thing I've finally begun is raw dairy and raw colostrum. Boy, that raw milk tastes so good I can't believe it, plus it makes you sleep better. There are opoid peptides in raw milk that are denatured by heat and processing. It tastes so much better than regular milk. I'm waiting for the colostrum next week. That is just a general booster.

I think we just all have to go with our intuition. It has been a long learning curve for me with lyme and in the beginning I listened to others instead of myself. I still lead a quiet life about half the activity of pre-lyme days, and don't exercise except walk, but it's not so bad. I get to do some travelling, do a lot of great work, and still go to the movies and dinners etc. I plan to get totally well but it's going to take some time, and step by step adding in protocols.

Though I couldnt' do ICHT (too dangerous for someone as sensitive to drugs as me) I think that was another case of taking an overall approach. You're changing the metabolism of teh cell and killing lots of spirochetes alogn with who knows what else.

I thought the $20,000 icht made the lyme go away for you...why is it you are still having to do the fir sauna, oxygen, samento and rife...? these are things that others are doing that DIDN't feel they were all better from the icht....

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. Is it that icht is only for those who are so ill , and this makes them a little better, but they have to maintain continually with other treatments AFTER they come home?

It seems like a lot of continued work to keep lyme at bay after paying so much money. But I can tell from the way you describe it that your quality of life has improved to where mine probably is now also...I just got there a differnet way...

Has anyone who has done icht NEVER had to follow up with anything and had the lyme eradicated totally?

I have, unfortunately, been waiting for a post like this for months....

I felt so passionate about this subject- it seemed to me as though this was a smart business man taking advantage of desparately ill people...

it really makes me angry to see someone get away scott free like this...he took advantage of people when they despirately were looking for help....how low can you be.

I agree 100%

thanks for posting my feelings too wild. and we do have a right to our feelings. Not critisizing those that did it at all. Just feel that this man should get what is coming to him.....again , everyone makes their own choices....just hate to see a con get away with it, over and over again.

Also...just so ohters are aware..the meds you get from Canada are licesed and packed by licensed pharmacists..not by frauds or criminials wanted by the FBi or anything. The reason so many go to Canada to get meds is because they are so much cheaper, because in canada drug companys and drs/pharmacists can't be sued by people like in us...this means it keeps the medication costs down. so when you order your meds from them , they are packed by licensed pharmacists.
it is LEGAL to do. the US government is trying to stop it from occuring, however, it will never pass the senate. Too many DR.s and nurses are lobbying to save this right for their indigent patients...I've been on this bandwagon for quite a while now..so what your' doing is safe for now..and quite legal. Also, if your dr. will order a 90 day supply ahead of time, they're also much cheaper..did you know that????

no worries..

Lisa

[This message has been edited by lla2 (edited 08 November 2003).]

Much of the Lyme community is focused on a new form of experimental therapy for Lyme disease called intracellular hyperthermia (ICHT).

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To understand the theory behind ICHT, we first need to understand how our body creates the energy that is used in the many life-giving functions our body performs, from contracting muscles to making sure that our heart keeps beating.

Under normal circumstances, each cell contains energy producing packets called mitochondria. Mitochondria are also termed organelles; they are rod-shaped, they have an inner and an outer shell or membrane, and they act like separate organs within each cell. Mitochondria produce energy in the form of ATP by burning free fatty acids in a process called thermogenesis. The burning of free fatty acids generates an electron flow that moves out from the inner membrane to the outer membrane of the mitochondria. This electron flow is an essential ingredient in the production of ATP.

ATP, which stands for Adenosine Triphosphate, is considered the energy currency of the cell. It is this energy, the ATP, which is used by the body to perform the many life-giving functions required on a moment-to-moment basis.

Intracellular Hyperthermia

This brings us to what intracellular hyperthermia is and how it works. In the case of ICHT for Lyme treatment, there are more than 50 natural and synthetic compounds that are termed uncoupler agents that significantly change the way the body's cells are able to handle the energy created within the mitochondria. These uncoupler agents interfere with the proton flow that crosses the inner membrane of the mitochondria. Specifically, they prevent protons from flowing back into the mitochondria, effectively reducing the production of ATP. In technical terms, this is called uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation in the mitochondrion of the cell.

The uncoupling agent reduces the production of ATP, but in that reduction, it does not reduce the creation of energy. Remember that ATP is created during thermogenesis, which is the burning of free fatty acids within the mitochondria. Even when an uncoupling agent is used, the fatty acids are still burned and energy is still created. However, instead of the energy mostly being used in the creation of ATP and used to aid in the operation of the body, that process is short-circuited and an increasing amount of energy stays within the cell creating heat. The mitochondria's isn't 100% efficient when it makes ATP. Some part of that energy naturally dissipates throughout the body in the form of heat, which, by the way, giving us a body temperature of about 98.6 degrees. An uncoupling agent creates a short circuit in the mitochondria, which lowers the efficiency ATP production, which in turn forces the body to get its energy from stored fat or from foodstuff and more oxygen. In this way, the body has enough energy to operate and the mitochondria continue to produce excess amounts of heat while the uncoupling agent is affecting it.

Clarity on the Process

"The net result of ICHT uncoupler therapy causes the mitochondria to be converted from efficient "powerhouses" of energy production to "chemical furnaces," heating cells from the "inside-out". The Lyme spirochetes are thus subjected to such an amount of heat over a prescribed time that they cannot survive. In essence, ICHT may be considered a form of therapeutic "pasteurization," an effective treatment for Lyme disease."
"...the uncoupler therapy causes the mitochondria to be converted from efficient "metabolic Power Station" of energy production to "chemical and nuclear furnaces," heating cells from within. It is like a nuclear reactor's meltdown. The Lyme disease spirochetes and other associated organisms are subjected to such an amount of heat from inside and outside over a prescribed time like pasteurization and cannot survive."

Additional Notes

It is also important to note that most of the 50 identified uncoupler agents are lipophilic, which means that they are able to penetrate every cell of the body, including organs, bone, and brain. As previously mentioned, these are the very places that it is believed Lyme bacteria reside.

Corporate ICHT

Intracellular hyperthermia is an evolving treatment for Lyme disease that continues to change as its main providers/developers gain experience. Also, there remain outstanding issues that demand a cautious approach to this new form of Lyme treatment, including the fact that ICHT is experimental, it is not approved by the FDA, there are no directly applicable studies that use ICHT to treat Lyme disease, and the most popular uncoupling agent in use-2,4-Dinitrophenol (DNP)-is illegal.

DNP

The next issue to be addressed is DNP itself. It is true that DNP is just one of 50 possible uncoupler agents that can be used in ICHT therapy. However, as a stand-alone compound, this is a particularly nasty agent. According to a Princeton Universities chemistry website, DNP is a yellow solid with no smell. It is used in making dyes, wood preservatives, explosives, insect control substances, and as a photographic developer.

DNP is highly toxic to humans. A lethal oral dose can be as little as 10-14 mg. per kilogram (a kilogram is 2.2 pounds) of body mass. The article states that the short-term effects of 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP) in human oral exposure include nausea, vomiting, sweating, dizziness, headaches, and loss of weight.

However, according to Thomas Incledon, in an article entitled, A Deadly Approach to Fat Loss, "DNP use under a competent physician's care can be used safely, but what is scary is that even at safe dosages, some people develop cataracts and other problems after they stopped taking DNP. Incledon said that some case reports that occurred at therapeutic dosages (around 3.5 mg per kilogram of body mass), reported cataracts, peripherial neuritis, allergic reactions, jaundice, hepatic dysfunction, hemotologic problems, cardiac arrhythmias, and death(s) started cropping up.

One of the biggest dangers of DNP is that the body does not have a negative feedback system that can deal effectively with DNP overdoses. This means that there is no upper limit to the increase in body temperature if an overdose does occur. Such runaway body temperatures can obviously be dangerous, even fatal.

A company in Oklahoma is about to be shut down for selling the Canadian drugs. The FDA says it is illegal and not safe.

I hope it does not effect anyone on this board.

For the record NB did not inject DNP for weight loss. It was a pill. Way different effect.

One of the people on this thread stated in an old thread that her pic line got infected and it nearly killed her twice. Does this mean the doctor is a killer?

To spend $10k for my treatment was a drop in the bucket for the $78 I paid out that year to other docotrs, procedures & meds.

While ICHT can get the Lyme you still have other issues to correct and rebuild the immune system.

You have to follow a protocol after ICHT to clean up the Candida, Mycoplasma (or whatever) and rebuild your immune system.

For those that it did not help at all, who knows what the other issues are.

I wish we didn't have to debate any of this. I wish we could all find the one and only path. As with any disease.

the company is Oklahoma is NOT getting hte drugs from a pharmacy in Canada..they are getting them illegally.

I'm talking about getting them by sending in a rx to a pharmacy in Canada, like my mother does for a 3 mothh supply of her meds for about 1/3 of the price...perfectly legal, perfectly safe. Sent in by her dr.

not by scam offices like this company in oklahoma....there are always scam places out there trying to take your money...gotta work through/sort through / and find the legal way to do it.

there is a way to get the cheap canadian meds through reputable canadian pharmacies that the fda says is fine...just like our pharmacies..they're targeting the scam artists...as well they should, since that's their job...to protect us!

Lisa

Bachynsky is sure leaving everyone at that hospital with plenty of trouble.

Jen, The truth is never sh%#. Hopefully justice will follow.

But this guy sure didn't leave a paper trail, unless you count the long discussions with Jen and others which were posted here and the solicitations by his girlfriend posted earlier here that started getting a lot of people to travel to Italy and spend $20,000 each for his disclaimed treatment.

I am still ordering and receiving my orders in a very timely fashion @ 7-10 days from
www.realfastdrugstore.com

Thank you sooo much

I have been looking for the best way possible to get the canadian meds.

My mother (73 yr's old, limited income, has medicade & medicare) just got out of the hospital a couple of weeks ago with her 4th heart attack and 2nd stint put in.

Her added prescriptions totaled over $500 and she already had $500 a month in meds to purchase. She also has diabetes. Now she is over $1,000 a month in meds.

This is what drew my attention to the "Dateline Special". The mayors son has diabetes and this is where he purchases his insulin from.

I will do anything and everything to help my mother.

She is not as experimental as me......So I can respect her wishes as she did mine when I made my choice.

She was a little scared of me purchasing the meds from Canada. And, I can see why. The reports are not in favor of these drug's and are trying to steer the public away from it.

Scam company or not. The news media is putting a "Black eye" on the whole Canada drug purchasing.

You know the reason they do not want us purchasing them. MONEY.

Insurance & meds are big buks in the U.S.

You guy's know more than anyone as to where to go for safe meds and what saves you the most.

I have been using www.realfastdrugstore.com for going on 3 years now and have never had a problem with getting my meds, the correct meds and in a very timely fashion of 7-10 days though their website says to expect up to 30 days, this has never happened to me.

OOOOhhhh what a horrible run-on sentence...

Both my LLMD and my regular local doctor, just fax my prescriptions directly from their offices and that is the fastest way to get the meds you order from them.

I save anywhere from 40-75% on each and every med I order from them.

I have tried other Canadian sites, but, have found them to be not as reliable and way, to slow to let me know that they didn't have a drug I was ordering...went to realfast and got it in a week.

Once again, posting late into the thread, and no-one will probaly read this or even see it

But I had to say it: AGAIN( I posted this under an old thread on the topic)We do not produce enough ATP for the uncoupling agent to work correctly on most of us!!! You need a cyclic amp. test to see your ATP levels, most of us are at the rock bottom, there have been times where I barely registre on the test!!!

My background is Pharmacology, the above information(In llad2 post ) is the same protocal that I have read on the Lyme Alliance boards

Low ATP levels co-exsist with the symtomology of fatigue, wieght gain, ect. Many of the same symtoms of CFIDS-there is much information and research about ATP functions within the CFS community

In a Nutshell, you can not turn off,or turn down for that matter-something that is not functioning correctly in the 1st place!!!

It may have worked on healthy bodybuilders-but it is very unlikely the theory could be applied sucessfully to those who were using the DNP for wieght-loss,another secuter of society that most likely has metabolic challanges also!!

so when one looks at the theories behind this treatment and says that the science is good, my reply is-more likely only if the patient is already *Metabolicly Sound*

Plus, You must have strong cardiac output, and no-one who has proven Neuro-meditated hypotension-should take the chance of treatment. Pulmonary output needs to be taking into consideration also

Plus the DNP is one of the most carcenagentic uncoupling agents there is!!!

There has been know cases of *celluar leakage* of cases performed by Dr.B amongst his body-building, and wieght loss patients, ie DNP can cause the cells to leak, and no longer provide their vital functions to our bodies-like correct levels of elytelights, ect.,When we say *leaking gut syndrome*, that is an example of what I'm trying to say here

This is all in my opinion-but in a opinion based on RPh., and a PhD. I don't do research for the pharma giants, just for the beauty product line giant L'Oreal

as a research nurse many many moons ago, htis is what I think about too...very scary

thanks for that

I'm in no way trying to justify my opinion by suggesting yours is invalid-I'm glad when someone finds a way out of this *H*llhole* of a disease!!

I, too, thought about going to Italy, and have had friends that do not post on this board, do just that-went to Italy to recieve treatment

Now, this is just a very small segment of all patients treated-I am sure,but no-one had your sucess that I knew of.BUT----

That does not degrade your sucess, or anyone elses-for that matter!!!

One of the biggest reasons that I chose not to pursue treatment was, as I posted above-the lack of ability to "Connect the dots", if you will-I can not find the way *Scientifically* that explains how AND why the treatment will offer long term benifets vs. the possiabity of long term complacations(obviously I can no longer spell worth a cr*p)And I do have enough of a background-to make an educated guess, as they say!!!

Once again, anyone that has had and is continuing to have good results from the treatments-I personally am grateful for your sucess and do hope that you keep us posted on your status

Just when anyone wonders*Out Loud* about the treatment, and it's possiable problems-look at it this way-taking long term ABX (as I have) can have some fairly serious complacations also, so you just have to educate yourself and do what seems best for you!!

Regarding the Italy Dr. Dr Shanta visited him about 2-3 yrs ago to see what he was actually doing during these treatments. He WARNED him he was way off base and would eventually kil someone with his methods. Go to Dr Shanta's website and read his background. It is amazing. My friend who went two years ago met someone there who was there for a checkup. This person had pancreatic cancer and it was in REMISSION. That is almost impossible usually. This man is safe and I would encourage anyone to visit his clinic. I may go back for a maintenance visit some day but so far so good. I am a cancer survivior from 82 with a year of chemo during that time. I know that also at my age, 68yrs young (I have horses) that I am a tough patient to keep feeling good. We seniors just don't have the fight and immune system that younger people do. Hope you all consider it. If I can be of help let me know,