troutscout
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I have always said; "I don't herx."
Well....the laughs on me!!!!!!!!!!!
Man-oh-man.
HAA! HAAAAAAAAAA! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
It took me 13 months to get the amalgams out, and now that I am having Doctor administered DMPS IV chelation (and, chlorella, garlic, cilantro) to remove...among other things....Mercury, Lead and Arsenic.....
Well.....I am losing the Multiple Chemical Sensitivity thingy, AND......drum roll
P-L-E-A-S-E!!!!!!!!!!
"I AM HERXING!!!!!!"
OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!
Gigi, JonA, SkyKing and Marnie.......never shut up.
Yours truly,
Trout
PS...its funny when the object that you see flying at you......actually smacks you across the face.
EVEN REPELLING THE TICKS. "According to the researchers "There was significant reduction in tick bites when consuming garlic compared with placebo," and that "our results suggest that garlic may be considered as a tick repellent for individuals and populations at high risk for tick bite, rather than other agents that might have more adverse effects."
Journal of The American Medical Association August 16, 2000; 284."
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Trout, glad to hear the good news! What are you using for the Mercury? Was there a rational behind the DMPS IV, vs. DMPS/DMSA oral?
troutscout
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Please see the attached stream on the first posting here...alot of the information you want is one there.
I couldn't tell you why IV....
I am ART tested for what works best for me.
I would have a strange....reverse herx. It is the only way I can describe it....I would herx...yet lose my MCS at the same time...a WEIRD reaction....yes....that is why I ALWAYS asuspected that there was something there in the way.
Hence the metals.....I noticed miold drop off in sensitivities early on...I also do guafenisin in the over cthe counter Non_drying Sudafed (generic)
Kent Trout
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Trout, so glad for you. I have some questions-- -- are you taking abx while you do this tx? (how's that for abbrevs.) --are you doing other concurrent therapies? -- in the other posts you talk about parasites. Any in particular? From pets? Everything from tapeworms to toxoplasmosis? -- Are you herxing from the IV chelation?
Thanks, M
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Good for you , Trout! Another piece of the puzzle!
Ditto Minoucat's questions..
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troutscout
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-- are you taking abx while you do this tx? (how's that for abbrevs.) YES----ART TESTED ABX---HEPARIN
--are you doing other concurrent therapies? YES ---JIM BARE RIFE
-- in the other posts you talk about parasites. Any in particular? ALL
From pets? MOST LIKELY...AND, LIFESTYLE
Everything from tapeworms to toxoplasmosis? RIFE FREQUENCIES AND HERBS
-- Are you herxing from the IV chelation? YES...WHEN I GET IT
Thanks, M YOU ARE SO WELCOME
TROUT
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Just enter Gigi in the search engine for questions on heavy metals...
Fillings, fish, coal fired energy plants, treated wood, etc......do a search engine on your browser.
good luck....to know the answers...you need to find them and understand them at your level.
TRout
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Kent, I'm soooooo happy you are on the road to recovery!!!
For others who are learning and trying hard to understand this mean, mean infection:
Gotta think "electromagnetically" . The electrolytes are our "spark of life". The MAJOR electrolytes are: K, Na, Ca, and Mg. (That's not to say the others aren't important too!)
This bug loves the mineral (++) MANGANESE. (Other bugs chose other minerals.)It also loves/needs sugar (glycogen has a ++ charge), not oxygen. It uses sugar to make its ATP.
Ayurveda teaches that toxicity is acidic . Acids, heat and frequency ALSO have a neg. charge. Radiation is a powerful neg. charge.
Yes, neg. charges can destroy/injure the pathogens, BUT...the body has to counter the neg. charges...to maintain a very narrow blood pH level.
The body HAS to counter this...maintain the acid-base balance (-- and ++)= pH (potential of hydrogen)balance. If our blood pH varies by just a little = death. It is highly regulated by our kidneys.
'Cause a little mineral/sugar reacts with a lot of acids to produce hydrogen.
To get hydrogen INTO the cells involves the cellular pumps which are "out of action" - the Mg-ATP pump, the Na-K pump, the Na-H pump...
These pumps drive the oxygen route (FAR HEALTHIER AND HEALING) to make energy - ATP.
ATP and hydrogen (and some other things)INHIBIT PFK...which Bb is dependent on! Insulin (we eat sugar = insulin produced)ACTIVATES PFK...not good. I'm not talking carbs here, just plain old sugar. Our brain cells need glycogen! Complex carbs do NOT trigger an insulin SPIKE.
Too acidic = harms healthy cells. The NK - natural killer cells - every day spot a precancerous cell and "squirt" it with a free radical - a negative charge - to destroy it. These cells function in our NORMAL slightly alkaline blood. These cell numbers DROP when the entire body is acidic.
Balance, it all comes down to restoring the balance and the body can heal itself!
The foods that are more "electromagnetically" balanced are healthier for us. They have minerals together with vitamins. The B vitamins, for example, are acidic, the mineralsand sugars are alkaline.
It would sure be nice if we had a way to constantly monitor our BLOOD pH, so we would know which food item to take to counter the current acid or alkaline condition.
When one mineral is not "available", it appears the others try to "come to the rescue" to supply the ++ charges. This isn't particularly good. We need to take what particular mineral is missing and get it where it belongs. In the case of Mg...inside the cells. I believe we eventually pull out/store the "bad" metals/minerals to make up for the missing minerals.
Look at the nutrients in the "chelation" things. What's IN chorella, cilantro? Garlic is electromagnetically balanced...Selenium ++ and sulfur -- (among other things).
The body, in a save mode, will pull the minerals out of "not as vital" areas (bones first)...leaving, if possible, those in the brain, heart and liver (our major "detox" organ - which stores: Mg and glycogen - pos. charges to counter the neg. charges of the toxins, follow?)
When Mg is deficient, Ca tries to go into the cells. Histamine is triggered...TNF alpha rises...all sorts of things happen at the same time.
With a Mg deficiency, calcium and potassium levels will rise at first. Down the road, they will drop and we can't hang onto them for long if we don't "restock" with Mg too! Calcium is our most abundant mineral (bones), so it will take a long time before the body says: "ENOUGH!"
The body knows a serious situation (supply of Mg is dropping) is happening and looks for alternative routes to save us.
Above all, remember...Ca and Mg - in balance - are needed to make healthy antibodies capable of destroying the keet form of Bb.
A Mg deficiency spirals out of control. It is an absolute CRITICAL mineral. It is needed for both routes we use to make energy (ATP), controls over 350 enzymes, works with Ca to make healthy antibodies (immunoglobulins) and...get this...is capable of mitochondrial (powerhouses of the cells) repair.
This is what disease (and aging) are all about...mitochondrial damage. This is why the "Perricone Prescription" to "reverse aging" works. He uses chromium (++), a lot of acids (--), CoQ10 and a low glycemic index diet. But those persons with wrinkles who want to look younger are not infected with Bb (depleting Mg). Still, the "formula" is wonderous.
Theoretically, the Perricone Rx. might work for lyme.
Re: heparin:
"Potassium Heparin therapy may cause hyperkalemia (abnormally high potassium levels).1 2 Potassium supplements, potassium-containing salt substitutes (No Salt�, Morton Salt Substitute�, and others), and even high-potassium foods (primarily fruit) should be avoided by persons on heparin therapy, unless directed otherwise by their doctor.
Vitamin D Heparin may interfere with activation of vitamin D in the body.3 Osteoporosis (thinning of the bone) has been reported in patients who received high amounts of heparin for several months.4 Osteopenia (decreased bone density) has been reported in women who received heparin therapy during pregnancy."
The balance has to be restored very carefully, so as not to trigger other problems, imbalances.
Get to the root cause. This pathogen uses several of the same nutrients we need. Mn, fructose, choline...
To fight, we use several nutrients, but mainly Mg with B6 and vitamin E.
Healing takes TIME but IS POSSIBLE. You can and WILL recover.
P.S. What nutrients are IN the chelation items? See the connections?
And...we make our own heparin...if we have the "ingredients" to make it and if the receptors are not blocked.
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troutscout
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2 camps on Heavy Metals exist....
1-Do it yourself after removal of Amalgams
2-Doctor approved removal...after Amalgams are out Subset Of Doc's a-Here is a prescription...should do it...no DMPS Push to check levels
b-Do a DMPS CHallenge Urinalysis -check patient for compatability and use appropriate Chelator
Heparin---
There is some controversy over it BUT>>>> What MArnie has quoted DOESN'T come from the LOW LEVEL heparin therapy that I am on. The LLMD that I go to doesn't do it indefinately and uses such low doses that even my Hemotologist asked me what good would it do?
So....I disagree with Marnie...only because her figures are based on amounts of heparin that are 4 to 5 times greater than what I take.
Hope this helps.....gotta go.
Trout
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I have been told I have heavy metals (or rather a suspicion) due to a Copper/metallthoniein test I had..
I was thru the roof high in free copper and regular copper..
Because of this..the texas doc I saw said "you'll never get better with lyme until you get rid of metals and herpes"
I'm beginning to believe this is true. He said there is a metal specialist in Colorado Springs..best in the nation on metal toxicity..
My doc here in Chicago gave me the go ahead to see a homeopath for lyme...what do you guys think..I am getting way too sensitive taking meds..it's like my body is giving me the finger..I have to pay attention and not just shove drugs down my throat!
Trout said he's herxing..does chelation always hurt..I don't want to do IV..I heard it's not necessary...
Do you know if you HAVE to have fillings out to do any chelation?
Why do so many lymies have metals and how the heck did we get it? From Vaccines? Bad water? What!&*&%#@
Any thoughts would be great..
I've heard about Marnies magnesium stuff..but what is it? I just got a magnesium shot from my doctor because of all of the neuro crap..
Thanks for any words..
LIzzie
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troutscout
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La Crosse, Wisconsin has a great Metals Doctor....regular MD..also does homeopathy.
Trout
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Marnie
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How are we exposed to heavy metals? Car exhaust, fertilizers, etc.
We all are exposed constantly. Normally, we can deal with them.
Into a search engine, type in: car exhaust heavy metals.
I believe our body may try to use/store these when the supply of the "good" metals/minerals is too low.
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Bryon, did you do the mercury chelation with or without amalgam fillings? I'm not ready to take out the fillings yet, but still want to deal with the mercury/heavy metal issue.
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Heads up for old-timers....this is an old post.
Lucy...If you're asking Bryan....He doesn't post here very often. It would be best to make a separate post for him. That way he will be more likely to see it.
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Ditto, metals chelation mad a BIG difference for me and I did it simultaneously with abx. I wouldn't rule it out or put it after abx.
Trout, I too found the MCS sx got much better while chelating. It takes time but is worth the wait.
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No problem, Lucy!! I didn't want you talking to the wall!!
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Hi Thanks lymetoo for pulling up this thread.Very interesting.
Hey Troutscout: It's been a 1&1/2 later and was wondering if you had any gains from herxing and the metal detoxing? And if so did where you able to hold on the the gains?
I know ya can't always tell if one thing works just curious if this made any difference in the long term.
Take care
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quote:Originally posted by 5dana8: Hi Thanks lymetoo for pulling up this thread.Very interesting.
Lucy did. Trout hasn't been around much either.
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I've been wondering if Trout & his family is doing okay. I hope so. He hasn't been around lately.
Pam
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I'm using EDTA to remove some metals. I don't know if it is helping yet. I know they give EDTA by IV though. It is also the solution in a lavendar top tube, interestingly enough.
Cilantro gave me diarrhea. I'm not sure if that was a herx or not, so I only ate it once. I may try again, since I'm realizing some of these reactions are just my herxing.
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