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Marnie
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Ten Points regarding Mg and Lyme Disease

1. Bb, the lyme spirochete, uses magnesium (Mg) - our supply - for its enzyme reactions according to microbiologist, Dr. Gary Kaiser.

2. We need enough Mg for MANY functions (!) including making healthy antibodies (our own "antibiotics") to fight ALL bacteria - co infection issues AND viruses - cancer.

3. The % decrease of Mg early on in this disease is astounding! According to the abstract from Romania, we are looking at a 30% reduction off the bat. That is a HUGE decrease! It will require IV doses of Mg given over time and constantly monitored to maintain normal levels until the infection has been eliminated. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. All lyme symptoms can be traced to Mg deficiency symptoms. We MUST restore the normal level of Mg.

4. Our NK cells (natural killer cells that knock off precancerous cells) also need enough Mg and Ca in the steps they take to kill the precancerous cells...every day (about 4 per day). Cancer is a virus that also follows the glycolysis pathway also.

5. If we do not restore to normal the level of magnesium (++ charge), the disease spirals out of control and leads to many other problems (depression, diabetes, hormone levels dropping, etc.). The body will "hunt for" other ++ charges to TRY TO compensate for this missing mineral.

6. A Mg deficiency -> Calcium going into the cells (not good so the body tries to stop this)-> angiotensin is stimulated (a protein, neg. charge) -> TNF alpha rises (positive charge).

7. Correcting the serious Mg deficiency will stop the disease and eliminate all of the symptoms as it did for the 2 Romanians. This will take TIME...esp. if the disease has a foothold.

8. Nonstop powerful antibiotics are acidic (neg. charge). They will make the body too acidic and the body will react by pulling additional minerals (pos. charge) out of storage to compensate, to maintain the pH (acid-base) balance. Furthermore, in the presence of acids, it is known that Bb "dives for cover" ie., sheds its cell wall/goes into cyst formation within minutes. (Please note: heat and frequencies are also neg. charges!)

9. The abx. alone are not what is curing (those lucky enough to have stopped this early on). It is the abx. REACTING WITH THE MINERALS that is doing the trick. Acids, a LOT, react with minerals to produce hydrogen. Hydrogen INactivates PFK, an enzyme that Bb is dependent on. Hydrogen is carried INTO the cells via CoQ10. When the Romanians restored the normal level of Mg in the early onset lyme patients and gave abx. -> cure.

Toxins are acidic too..very (!) + abx. are acidic + Mg is usually combined with an acid (Mg chloride, Mg sulfate, Mg pyrophosphate - the best choice).

Sooooo, once again...a lot of acids react with a little mineral to produce hydrogen which INactivates PFK and shuts down the glycolysis pathway (using sugar for energy). Insulin ACTIVATES PFK...so avoid "sugar rushes".

10. In addition, by restoring the Mg levels, TNF alpha will be reduced, more healthy antibodies will be formed, etc.

Find a way/place to get ACCURATE Mg testing done. Find a doctor willing to give the doses necessary and monitor the level closely until you test negative.

This pathogen choses THE most critical mineral to deplete. Mg is vital to our immune system, controls over 350 enzymes, is needed to make ATP - energy (both routes), and is capable of DNA repair. No other electrolyte is capable of taking over these functions. This is disasterous. Restore the balance.

ALL of the above is DOCUMENTED in my "In a Nutshell" post which is MUCH longer and technical.


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Marnie,
I read your updated "Nutshell" post. Wow.

Do you think that oral magnesium will help restore the balance AT ALL?

I just don't see my doc willing to give me intravenous magnesium anytime soon.

Carol

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Not enough absorbed orally. Leads to diarrhea which further depletes the electrolytes.

If you do the math...the Romanians had a 30% deficiency. That, for a man, is equivalent to about 5 GRAMS...5000mg of Mg (which needs some B6). Can't possibly do that orally. On an average, a man has about 17 Grams total in his body. A 30% reduction (early onset for lyme!) = 5 GRAMS. WHOA.

Too much Mg too fast = RESPIRATORY SHUTDOWN! Mg relaxes our muscles.(Quick Calcium IV can counter.) Relax the lung muscles too much and you will STOP BREATHING...at those doses. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS!!!

Levels MUST be restored over several hours and you MUST be monitored...and then...they have to be maintained until the infection is all gone. This can be done in a HOSPITAL SETTING...it is done to stop seizures.

Yup...there's the catch...get accurate testing and then try to find a doctor in this country willing to use a natural substance to cure.

Cancer hosp. in Romania anyone?

Oral doses keep your head above water and hopefully slow down the downward spiral...leading to more and more problems.

I'm being honest...sorry, if I seem too blunt.

My anger is at the "system", not directed to you guys and gals. I truly sympathize (not empathize - I don't have lyme, sis does) with your situation.


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Forgive me if youve posted this but has your sister responded to this treatment?
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Hi Marnie,

Appreciate all your work... :-)

It sounds like you are saying that after magneisum levels were determined with ionic Mg test, that the patient would have to have the levels brought up to eliminate the deficit, over several hours...

And that the person would have to be monitored and kept at that level, until they were well.

That would have to be done in a clinic/hospital setting...its sounds like to me and would have to have round the clock monitoring, for an long time period, if chronically ill with BB.

Is that what you are suggesting needs to be done?

Byron


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Yup, Byron...it looks that way.

Of course I e-mailed the hospital in Romania (did not hear back).

Of course I'm wondering what test they used to determine Mg levels since here they are so inaccurate.

I'm also wondering what type of Mg they gave, how often, etc.

And did the patients have a herx?

Lots of questions...unfortunately I have only an abstract to go on.

It took Valletta 6 months to cure RA, ulcerative colitis, and invasive cancer. He started with IV doses, but was able to switch to orals.

My sister does take a little Mg orally at my insistence, but she is going the "medical" route and is on Humira to block TNF alpha. She FEELS better, but...She had one knee replaced about a month ago and is going in for eye surgery to get rid of scar tissue (at one point all she could see was the big "E").

Why has she chosen the "medical" route? I will not post, but ask that you think about why this may be so...

Lisa, can you find a way to keep doing the Meyer's cocktails...financially? They will really help, your doc is right. B6 should be sublingual, I belive...this is the form Valletta used. He also used Mg pyrophosphate (B1 implications).

Lisa, remember the Dr. Andrew Weil discussion...re: lion's mane to "repair the myelin sheath"? It's in Host Defense by New Chapter. These are beta glucans...the mushrooms.

(The myelin sheath is the "insulation" around our nerves.)

It will take awhile to repair the damage, but according to him...it IS possible.


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Marnie, I'm contemplating doing Magnesium IV. How many mgs per treatment are suggested?
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Marnie,

Where do you get your b6 sublingual? Don't think I've ever seen it. I use the b12 sublingual already.

I'm sure I can't get the magnesium iv since insurance decided not to cover any more medicines {iv or oral} which are for my Lyme treatment.

God Bless You,

Pam


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b333,

Via my doctor's recommendation, I am taking a sublingual B vitamin that contains all of the B vitamins, including B6.

Here it is:
http://www.iwantmyvitamins.com/vitamins_viewItem.asp?idProduct=270

DMC


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For magnesium, per my doctor's recommendation, I am taking a product
called X Cell R8
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/homegym/xcelresinrev.html

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Marnie,

Could you email me privately to discuss the possible relationship between my son's tremors and Mg deficiency.

I would greatly appreciate your time!

Lazer'sMom


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Marnie, I am posting here and on a separate
one addressed to you--about ccs or mgs of
IV magnesium needed per day/per week please.

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Marnie
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Private e-mails sent re: testing and IV doses to be given AFTER tests determine level of deficiency..and restored in a HOSPITAL SETTING.

NEVER attempt huge (exceeding ODA - optimal dietary allowance)oral doses yourself! NEVER.

Please note: The B vitamins are ACIDIC. B6 supplements requires EXTRA magnesium according to a source in my "nutshell" post. B6 is also needed to make CoQ10 which CARRIES HYDROGEN INTO THE CELLS.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marnie:
B6 supplements requires EXTRA magnesium according to a source in my "nutshell" post.

B6 is also needed to make CoQ10 which CARRIES HYDROGEN INTO THE CELLS.


Marnie,

What happens if our cells are very toxic due to lyme complications. Will the hydrogen still get into the cells?
Will the magnesium still get into the cells?

And did you happen to write about extra magnesium "in a nutshell" because nuts contain a good amount of magnesium?

DMC



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what does it mean if your mg level is 134 i was told that <124 is normal reference range with this 134 will taking 3 slo mags a day be okay or do i need to question the iv mag?
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