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I apologize in advance for some of the things I've been learning about all the different kinds of worms and parasites that even healthy north americans carry in their bodies.
Some practitioners believe our already lowered immune systems make us vulnerable to worms and parasites, creating a vicious circle, because parasites are similiar to ABX in how they destroy good bacteria in our gut, which leads to candida, leaky gut, further lowering of our immune system, and an increased toxin load on our already overloaded system.
Parasite need to be addressed when treating candida, or they will cause a relapse by keeping internal flora out of balance. Remember that metals also have to be addressed or they will also force a relapse.
Anyway, here are some of the things I've been discovering:
There are over 1,000 types of parasites throughout the world, however in the US. most labs may only be testing for the 50 types that are most native to North America. 70% of the parasites in our bodies are traveling throughout the body. Only 30% are in the intestines. When the parasites enter our intestines they can break through our guts and travel anywhere in our bodies!
Once in another part of the body, they can nest and live there. They can invade the tissues and feed off our cells literally eating our flesh. Some parasites, called "Hookworms", attach themselves to the lining of our intestines and can drink our blood causing anemia. Another parasite called a" Whipworm", can bite into our intestines and release a fluid which causes our tissues to liquefy. The Whipworm then sucks the liquefied tissues up into its stomach. Parasites can invade any organ, gland or tissue in the body and cause diease. A parasite called a "Fluke" can get into the pancreas and cause Diabetes.
"Roundworms" are right now being researched as the cause of Asthma and Eczema. Parasites known as "Tapeworms" can not only grow up to several feet long, but they can also cause severe water retention and muscle wasting.
Symptoms of parasites include:
RECTAL ITCHING CRAWLING OR ITCHING SKIN CHRONIC EYE, EAR OR SINUS INFECTIONS ARTHRITIC SYMPTOMS CONSTIPATION OR DIARRHEA ASTHMA AND ALLERGIES ECZEMA, PSORIASIS, AND ACNE DIGESTIVE DISTURBANCES ANEMIA BLOOD SUGAR DISORDERS BLOATING AND GAS MENSTRUAL PROBLEMS VAGINAL INFECTIONS CROHN'S DISEASE CERTAIN CANCERS CHRONIC FATIGUE MUSCLE WASTING WEIGHT LOSS OR WEIGHT GAIN CONSTANT HUNGER -------------
From another website, here is a list of the names and descriptions of the 12 most common parasites:
Tapeworms: taenias - fish tapeworm, beef tapeworm, and pork tapeworm. Obtained from eating raw or undercooked, infected meat. Adult worms can reach a length of more than 15 feet. Pork tapeworms can enter the brain and cause seizures. Fish tapeworms can produce over one million eggs per day. It can grow up to 33 feet in length. This worm is wide and one half to one inch long, and is usually white/gray in color.
White worms: They come in all sizes from tiny pinworms to those that look like spaghetti or angel hair pasta.
Red worms: These look just like earthworms. They exude from the colon wrapped in balls. They reach up to 6 inches in length.
Inch worms: These are thick (pencil size), black and bumpy and about 2 inches long.
Black worms: These are 1 - 12 inches in length and leave the colon wrapped in "yellow acid water" mixed together. They nest deep, impacted in the colon wall.
Pinworms: Tiny parasites that wiggle out about 3/4" long and thicker than white worms.
Hookworms: Curved about 6" long, and grayish. Infestation is as high as 50% worldwide. Hookworms grip the intestinal wall and suck blood.
"Little Fish": About 1/2" long, these are fish-type parasites with heads and tails, and they swim out of the colon in schools.
Threadworms: Cream-colored parasites as thin as a thread. They often come out by the hundreds.
"Fuzz Balls": Round parasites with fur-like growth on them. About 1/4-3/4" in diameter, yellow in color.
"Spiders": Look like a spider and are colored brown, often 1" long.
"Stickpin Worms": One inch long and a head like a pea, perfectly round. Small ones are white, adults are black.
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I started a 2-month cleanse/anti-parasite program a few months ago. 2 weeks into the program, I passed a 2 ft. long parasite, no exaggeration. It totally freaked me out. About a month later I passed a 7 inch parasite.
The cleanse ended a couple of weeks later. I just hope that everything that was in there came out. I'll probably do it again in about 6 months.
I did a search on this site at the time, and didn't find much about parasites. I found one good one that said that parasites thrive in the bacterial environment of lyme patients.
Doctor asked me whether I saved them, and I said, "No way!" I couldn't wait to get the thing(s) out of my sight. He said next time, to save it/them. Gross.
By the way, the cleanse/anti-parasite program that I was on was all-herbal and contains 70 herbs, several of which I've read are good for lyme.
They don't have a website, but if anyone is interested, I'll post their 1-800 number. It's by Nature's Medicine.
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I started a 2-month cleanse/anti-parasite program a few months ago. 2 weeks into the program, I passed a 2 ft. long parasite, no exaggeration. It totally freaked me out. About a month later I passed a 7 inch parasite.
The cleanse ended a couple of weeks later. I just hope that everything that was in there came out. I'll probably do it again in about 6 months.
I did a search on this site at the time, and didn't find much about parasites. I found one good one that said that parasites thrive in the bacterial environment of lyme patients.
Doctor asked me whether I saved them, and I said, "No way!" I couldn't wait to get the thing(s) out of my sight. He said next time, to save it/them. Gross.
By the way, the cleanse/anti-parasite program that I was on was all-herbal and contains 70 herbs, several of which I've read are good for lyme.
They don't have a website, but if anyone is interested, I'll post their 1-800 number. It's by Nature's Medicine.
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I was told by one ND that as long as you have Lyme, you will always have a parasite issue and vice versa. You can't just treat Lyme without addressing the parasites. Where there is one, there is the other.
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sorry, I hit the back button, forgetting that I was on the post page.
Anyway, yes I did the cleanse while on antibiotics. My LLMD knew about it, and when I told him I passed that first parasite, all he said was, "Oh, that would explain the vomiting and diarrhea."
(Those were two of my symptoms).
He did tell me to go ahead and continue, since I did feel better after starting. I had been on abx for 4 months before starting the cleanse, and I had gotten to the point where I was feeling bad again after having felt better for a few months (herxes or a plateau, I don't know).
Anyway, after starting the cleanse, I started feeling better all over again. After the cleanse was over, I felt bad again. Maybe another herx, I don't know. LLMD added Doxycycline on top of the Biaxin, and I've been feeling good again.
Telling the difference between a herx and whether the abx are not as effective kind of confuses me. I'm still new at this.
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frenchbraid...I believe that your MD is correct, that you need to deal with more than just Lyme to get better.
The chances are that if you have been doing longterm ABX, you not only have parasites, but you have candida, possibly leaky gut, and you should be tested for metals. All these have to be dealt with or a relapse from one or the other is possible. At least, that is my experience.
You are very correct. That is what my entire family has done. We have been addressing parasites, Candida, doing body cleanses and addressing metals.
We have been abx free for 6 months and it doesn't look like we'll be looking back anytime soon.
We now realize that many of our "Lyme" symptoms were infact "Candida" symptoms. After completing parasite cleanses, liver cleanses, etc. and addressed Candida, we feel great. Yes, we are still recovering from the damage that was done, but we are most definately on the right road.
I've tried repeatedly to stress this point to others, but I'm not sure I'm making my point. I know it sounds gross and no one really wants to think that "something" is living inside of them. But, unless people start to address these other underlying issues, it will most likely be a dead end road.
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I have been off ABX for one year. Lyme seems to be in remission, or is erradicated.
I was symptom free for almost 5 months, then relapsed with candida. I tried a self-directed candida program for six months but I simply could not get past it on my own. I now understand that I couldn't get past candida because I wasn't addressing parasites, metals, and leaky gut.
I finally had my amalgams changed and am working with a professional who is dealing with all of the issues of parasites, candida, leaky gut, and metals in an organized fashion. I seem to be extremely sensitive in all of these areas and it is slow going, but I am apparently on track and am staying with the program.
I'll let you know what happens in a few months as I progress with this very comprehensive protocol.
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Mr. Johnson, Thank you for the interesting info.
Does anyone know if Artemisinin and or mepron get any of these critters?
How did you work on colon cleanses with antibiotics? Would cleansing interfere with antibiotics? I've been a farm girl my whole life & could probably use this. Thank you. VEE
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Nature's Medicine Corporation 1-800-408-1525
You can ask for their parasite and cleanse info, they'll mail it to you.
Or you can order direct, it's called Internal Klenz, the full 2-month program is $96.90.
They have an antiparasite herbal formula for chldren, also. $24.95 That one doesn't include the colon cleanse, it only kills the parasites.
You'll probably want to see their catalog, they offer many natural medicines, including probiotics (30 billion viable cells, 16 different strains of Acidophilus, Bifidus, etc).
I don't work for them, but ever since the success with the parasites I have been using a couple of their other products as well.
I know their cleanse is expensive, but all of the cheaper ones I've seen in health food stores have only contained a fraction of the natural herbs that are in this one.
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I asked my LLMD about parasites and he said unless I was having GI symptoms, there was no need to test for them via a stool sample. I wonder about this.
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Tree,
Although LJames may have posted the link to lymephotos.com as just a grueling pictures of some of the yuck that is inside people, I don't think that was his intention-
to state that one can cure lyme from ridding parasites as that site may claim.
He posted accurate, vital and useful information from various other informative sites that talk about parasites which
in MY opinion is interesting.. and , after doing ParaGone ( but not any of the listed) myself, made me a believe.
Dont knock it until you try it and let these people talk about it.
NO ONE said its a cure, absolutely no one. Let it go.
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Thanks Thecrimeoflyme...you are right, in that I wasn't including a link to the pictures for anything other than yukky pictures of parasite-like things that may be in our body.
I found it interesting that the site of pictures and the story of a cure was a hoax, however, that is a different issue from parasites and worms being a health issue for Lyme patients.
The fact is that there is emerging evidence that parasides, candida (yeast), metals, and leaky gut are contributing factors to us not being able to get rid of Lyme disease. Also, many of us experience symptoms from these seperate health issues, and those symptoms get confused with Lyme disease.
As well, the ABX we take to keep Lyme in check alters the biology of our gut, which helps create problems with leaky gut, candida, and parasites. It is a vicious circle, but one that needs to be addressed.
Why does the whole picture need addressing? There are those of us who are off ABX because Lyme is in remission or erradicated, but we continue to experience health issues. Those health issues relate to candida, metals, leaky gut, and parasites.
I posted the info on parasites as a piece in this puzzle. Because one person is trying to discredit Lyme in general, and parasites as a specific issue, doesn't change the fact that there is a common thread emerging from many Lyme patients who have been able to slowly move beyond Lyme itself.
That message is that there are health issues that need to be addresses or you may not be able to get rid Lyme itself, or you may relapse. And if you are able to move past Lyme, you still may be sick if you haven't dealt with these other issues.
Parasites are one piece of the puzzle. Metals are another. So is candida and leaky gut. They may not be issues for you, but if you have done long term ABX you should assume candida, test for metals, and probably assume parasites, as well. In my case, leaky gut also played a role. It may not in yours.
Back to the purpose of this post...to simply keep information flowing on parasites being an issue for Lyme patients.
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BTW, Treepatrol...thanks for posting all of the past threads on this subject.
Within them I found the following, which exposed a very interesting link between parasites and Lyme disease...a link that has been substantiated by members of the conservative medical community:
Clarice54 posted this in March... http://www.ktvu.com/health/ I think this ran on 03/02/04. For anyone who may have missed it. Says many people with this parasite are also being dx with LD. You will need to scroll to the bottom for article. "Mystery Parasite Striking Bay Area Residents"
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The lyme photo site is bull now dont get all uptight Iam not saying that everything else is just that site good for one thing the pictures except one batch I think is a sperm.
I do believe some of us are more more easily infected by these things and if you have a parasite problem get it taken care of.
Chilllllllllllllll Jodie luv ya
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Another point worth mentioning is that parasites run in families. Parasites are easily spread. Especially within a family. A family uses the same bathroom, eats at the same table, have the same pets, etc.
That's why as a family, we addressed these issues together.
My point is that one shouldn't assume that they are the only one in their home with parasites.
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Tree are you serious? One of those photos on lymephotoes is sperm? Rollin!
Ha no anyways, really LJ is right... clean out the body...
cant get rid of garbage when youre full of garbage.
Now.. back to this sperm...joking
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Have you used the salt and C as part of yout regimen?
or can you share the line of treatment you are using to addres parasites? I understand it is a multi-level approach dealing with metals and Candida as well..
But there are several approaches to parasites.
Mo
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Here's something to ponder:
"One group of researchers has suggested that maybe the eradication of a group of parasites called helminthes (worms that live in the intestinal tract) through modern sanitation might have led to a state where the immune system does not have anything to practice on, and so attacks the body's own organs.
These researchers fed a group of six individuals suffering from flare-ups of Crohn's disease a formula made up of helminthes that breed in pig intestines. Five people went into remission and one improved fairly significantly. Since these helminthes do not breed in the human gut, it was easy for the researchers to check stool samples to see when the helminthes had all been passed from the test subjects' guts. After the worms were all gone, all of the subjects experienced a recurrence of their flare-ups.
The researchers hope to study groups of individuals who suffer from autoimmune conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis and lupus to see if a similar improvement in condition occurs with the helminthes treatment. http://yourmedicalsource.com/library/ulcerativecolitis/UC_causes.html
Well...they are giving (injecting) a cold virus into a skin cancer virus and knocking it out in Australia.
Compete for nutrients to eradicate? OR...further stimulate an immune response?
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